Wavepiercers, Trimarans, SWATH and such...

Interesting. My first thoughts are... the boat will need to be kept extremely light to achieve these figures, which will sacrifice ride quality. However, a wave-piercing, narrow hull form would help compensate for this.

While the cruise speed sounds reasonable, the top speed sounds a little optimistic. The first hurdle is getting a 74' boat to plane with 1250 hp connected to a single waterjet. Marginal, but not impossible, IF... the boat was simply a shell, with engines, tanks and running gear, coupled with a shallow deadrise hull... the figures are sustainable. As a fitted-out yacht, with all the trimmings... I think weight will be a critical factor.

It's seems piercing mono hulls are the latest industry darling, but we have to keep in mind... they're not for everyone. Just people with an endless supply of windshield wiper blades.

Still... I love the design. Thank you for bringing this to YF Innomare!

That is a very daring design...but what i find is that they are alot of designs however, not alot of piercer yachts in actuality...SPIRIT...?(she is a Cat piercer)....anything else..on the mega yachtmarket like her...or mono hull piercers?

In a sense, you could say SIGMA, but it has so much freeboard it would rarely pierce a wave...

http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/blohm-voss-yacht/2347-radical-new-blohm-voss-yacht.html

Yes Carl, i didnt remember the Sigma project.....Question thoough? so all true wave piercers have to have the piercing points low to the waves?....and since Sigma's bow is so high.....this is what you mean that she wouldnt really be considered?...I'm not so sure if you get what i mean?

Wow, that Earthrace 151m design is truly something!!. I hope someone builds it.
If it pulled into Monaco Harbour, the other homogenized mega yachts would sink themselves out of fear.

If you take a close look at Sigma, you’ll see the hull is actually rather conventional, with a standard rise and flair leading up to the bow. The only difference is the bow is swept back from the waterline, giving SIGMA’s bow some piercing attributes, i.e. offering less lift and resistance against oncoming waves.

As the name implies, wave-piercing hulls are designed to go “thru” waves, not over them. Typically, these hulls are optimized for sub-surface operation with an emphasis placed on reducing acceleration & motions of waves at the water line and above. By sweeping the bow backwards from the waterline, an oncoming wave encounters less resistance in contrast to a conventional forward-flaired bow. Essentially, an oncoming wave washes over the top of the deck and dissipates, as opposed to being displaced outward by a conventional bow. This results in lift on the bow, including acceleration and deceleration forces that add resistance against momentum.

Another key element in these designs is reducing the cross section of the hull that will be subject to wave penetration at or above the waterline. To better facilitate this, a significant portion of the hull is concentrated beneath the waterline, and the cross section of the exposed hull near the waterline is limited. Essentially, a hydrofoil works the same way, because lift is being generated on a sub-surface level… where there is no turbulence. Basically, a wave-piercer is much like a SWATH design or “Small Waterplane Area Twin Hull”, originally invented by “Crazy Canuck Creed” back in the 1940’s. A label he earned because he was ahead of his time.

Now I didn't read the whole thread (maybe it's been mentioned), but this looks like White Rabbit. I do realize this was posted before it was launched. I don't know who, but what I read was the main reason for the build was for increased stability because the owner got seasick easily. Hope it helped him out...

Yep, it's that Wascally Wabbit. Here's a thread devoted to that varmint...

http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/general-yachting-discussion/3328-white-rabbit-trimaran-yachts.html

Oh yes, forgot about that thread. Is that what the search function is for??

Hmm, I am getting a little lost, as we have multiple threads on WP at the moment.

For those into higher maths, you might like to read this article on WP and sea states.

http://watlab.lin.vlaanderen.be/ims...ang_chen.pdf#search="wave piercer demi hulls"

Wow, looking at some of the content in that link simply gives me a headache. I think it's a little out of my league, although I can't know for sure because I have no idea what it is.

I skipped over the equations and jusr read the results, could that be cheating, anyway, it does also show that there is more to being a naval architect than coming up with nice designs, whew.

Not a Naval Architect, but I have been reading a lot of such research and often it ends like this one, "it is up to the captain".

What I am more interested in and also been through a lot without certain conclusions, is how to avoid producing wake? I could imagine a boat with little wake will also produce less motion that cause seasickness.

Where I live we need passenger ferries that are pretty fast, 20-30 knots, carrying 200-300 pax and still producing small and soft waves that don´t erode the islands and disturb small pleasure boats.

It should also go with a minimum draft and be able to go in with the bow to pick up passengers. They are landing every 5-10 minutes.

Hovercrafts would be perfect if they were not so noisy, but maybe a wavepiercer would work...?

Over here in the Marlborough Sounds in New Zealand, it has been found that high speed ferries, the 98m Incat is used currently, produce shore damage from their wake to the extent they have had their speed cut to less than 18k in places. WP are not necessarily kind on the enviroment. The scientific reasoning is here

http://www.marlborough.govt.nz/content/docs/documents/CroadandParnellS32Analysis.pdf

Sheese, Sweden is all little islands, didn't realise it was to that extent, I really must get out more, hehe. I would suggest swath but too much draft.

http://www.bullshooter.com/jmart/cloudx/

Thanks for this interesting link. I have been reading Danish and Norwegian studies on fast ferries, mainly catamarans, which are causing unexpected and severe erosion on beaches.

We have from this summer tried a small number of "low wash" zones instead of speed limits. The result is mainly that the ferries and larger yachts slow down when people are present to see them, but still create wake when nobody is around...

As I live at a narrow passage I can see the difference in wash from all kinds of boats and speeds, and I have observed what I call a "Tsunami effect". Certain boats, like a 35´Coast Guard speedboat we have, when going 30 knots or more, can produce really "strong" waves that hit hard and raise high, while other similar boats at that speed creates almost no wake. I guess it is the weight of the boat that matters, despite they seems to ride as any other speedboat.

Also the ferries are quite different from each other, some create wake that looks innocent but crashes hard to the shore, like tsunamis...

On SWATH, they have too much draft to be used here, but I guess they have the sweetest motion for the passengers.

more on wakes

I once saw a huge 250 m tanker and a small 30 m patrol boat sailing one after the other on the canal coming from the port of Rotterdam. Both where going at the same speed (around 10 knots). The remarkable thing is: the 20.000 ton tanker had almost no stern wave, while the 100 ton patrol boat was creating a much larger stern wave (0.5-1 m).

The main reason is the immersed stern area. The tanker had no immersed stern area and the streamlines could follow the hull nicely all the way, while the patrol boat was a typical hard-chine hull sailing at the "hump speed" (just before planing, with lot's of trim). The low pressure "hole" dragging behind its stern created a large stern wave.
I wouldn't be surprised if the patrol boat was burning more fuel per nautical mile than the 200 times bigger tanker.

Bruno

Naval Architect

Low wash cat in service on Sydney Harbour

Bgv

Im surprised the BGV was not in here already or did I miss it?

Site is in French there is a buttin to Select english on the home page but I could not use it.
Check out the Technique page you will see some nice CATIA images for the functional steel design.

http://www.bgvinnovation.fr/index.htm

http://www.bgvinnovation.fr/megayacht130.htm

What is the problem with those Frenchies??? If I click on the English flag it will not let me in the site. Only clicking the French flag will do that but the language is French which I can't read.

Hi,

Catmando

Here it is in English.

http://www.bgvinnovation.fr/bgvanglais/concept.htm