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So you pay a few million for a boat you can't board?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Pascal, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. Opcn

    Opcn Senior Member

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    Time and risk. The complex compound curve is difficult to fit wood to, better to cut a hole in the **** thing, but it would be very easy to do an ugly job of it either way. It takes time to find a person you can trust to not screw it up. Then it takes more time for the job to get done. The home depot tape was fast and low risk and is completely reversible.
  2. Pascal

    Pascal Senior Member

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    yeah but shoudnt the builder have provided a safe way to board the boat by building in a step? indeed, it's pretty easy, actually even now, just build a flat pad with epoxy and core, and finish it with teak.

    the picture i posted this morning is actually 2 for the price of one.. the boat on the left is a brand new Numarine 50 something. the top surface there behind the last stanchion is shiny slippery gelcoat. why not have a teak or SS strip there so you can step on it without risking slipping on gelcoat. a door would be ideal...

    again, these european builders keep ignoring the specificities of the US market.
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    I feel like it would be hard to get a case of wine on board this boat.
  4. Opcn

    Opcn Senior Member

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    In an ideal world perhaps, but my comment was just on the subject of what the owner decides afterwards. I've seen plenty of ugly work done on boats, especially when trying to establish a new angle rather than extending a line, I think it would be really easy to end up with someone doing it wrong.
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    It's hard to enforce a US Spec, when they are selling in the US and well.
    We need to analyze who buys these defective boats. SFB's.
  6. Pascal

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    Here is another example, brand new small sunseeker that just arrived at our pier

    On the plus side they integrated steps on both side to go from the platform to the side decks, something that s often missing. But again, the shape of the platform makes it very hard to get from a dock to the platform unless you are young with good knees. A for style, F for boatability

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    That 35 (approx) year old Bertram next to it is easy as can be to get on. And look, A hand hold waiting on the transom.
  8. karo1776

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    To my mind and experience this is the biggest issue in boating... boarding / disembarking either at anchor or when berthed.

    Myself... no problems I am used to scampering up a side... jumping the gap and grabbing on... sometimes slipping and some wet feet and trousers... or worse... but its the ladies problem... as I know of no female fond of being jostled or slipping or any of the rest of it.... well maybe one but she thinks boating is plain dumb and boring... so there you go. Otherwise the older they get the more the issue becomes... or after a few bad experiences.

    I am a very creative guy and have never really come up with a good solution.
  9. NYCAP123

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    Carry her on. Gets her on board, impresses her and puts her in kissing range all at the same time.:)
  10. JWY

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    I was recently at a mini-boat show and had an embarrassing moment getting off a multi-million dollar sportfisher. The cap rail was too high for me to step up and on to. The builder, who was in the cockpit, was helpful enough to give a hand but I was barefoot and my feet were sliding on the smooth-as-glass finely sanded teak. So a friend on the dock reached out to give a hand. Are you kidding me?! I'm not exactly short and hopefully not considered fat and my feet are real boat savvy and it took two guys with a heave-ho and a pull. I hope the builder was as embarrassed as I was. :mad:
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    You of all people!:eek: Could you imagine someone's elderly mother? 'You go ahead family. I'll wait on the dock. Never mind it's my birthday and I'll be standing here alone'. Yep, let's keep hiring designers and artists to figure out what boats should look like. We can hang 'em on a wall. and look at them. Teak sanded smooth??? I'm sure it was very pretty.
  12. HTMO9

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    A boat you cant safely board

    A problem I do not understand. Nobody would buy a house without a proper and safe entrance. Or would you like to enter your house by climbing over the balcony? :eek:

    Then why are you buying a boat or yacht (sailing or power), where boarding and disembarking is difficult or even dangerous. When the potential buyer tells the dealer or maker, he would buy the boat, if... and only if..., they will listen or being out of business one near day. A boat where the boarding party needs acrobatic abilities, should not be certified by the authorities from the beginning, period !!!

    A side entrance gate (on both sides) and a stern gate should be self-evident. If the boat has a stern platform, the surfaces must be slip-resistant.

    But their are also precautions on the operators side. High heels or street shoes do not belong on a boat. Bare feet contain a high risk of injury.

    But entrance gates do not get you on or off a boat automatically. There might be a little gap between the jetty and the boat and / or a difference in height. Lifting your guest in a bosun's chair onto your boat might not be appriciated by all guests, especially mothers in law hate this type of transportation.:D

    But for boats not equipped with the famous hydraulic gangplank, there are little devils on the market, one can buy. They are easy to install, very lightweight (made of carbon, can be carried by a child) and easy to stow away. They are even customized in size and kind and only need very little or no modification to the boat. See examples.

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    Have a couple of those particular types of les ancients to deal with and the others are not as capable as they used to be>>>

    Some video...heavens looks easier than often times in the marina!

    SWATH beloodsing Nederlands Loodswezen - YouTube
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    Anything with momma in it and you had better hide the "all" the tomahawks if you don't want to be scalped... even offering that... they might be 81 and 90 but darn they are mean and surprising capable of of taking your scalp before you can blink.
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    Is there a reason you could not sit down and swivel your legs over? I board folks that are older on the Donzi and this is never an issue because no matter what age they can sit and then swivel. Younger folks want to step up and step down- and I have a boarding mat because teak is slippery when dry- and sticky when wet.
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    No, there are a few problems with this. The cap rail was too high to sit on. I needed a step stool to step up to the cap rail whether for sitting or standing. The helpmate said all it needs is a West Marine stool. On a custom built multi-million $$ yacht, I would prefer design versus WM. A non-skid mat would work once on the cap rail but sitting wasn't an option as it was at low tide and I was still too low to the dock. Also, think emergencies and fast egress might not wait for a mat to be set out.

    Solution: built-in steps in the cockpit and boarding gates at different levels or a tide-rider boarding ladder. Ok, this is a SF, but this isn't rocket science.
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    So you pay a few million for a boat you can't board?

    Well there is another way of looking at that... you buy the boat and then don't have the time to use it.

    It's the real reason relatively new boats are sold by owners who wait years during the build... only to find the cost overuns have them scurrying to pay for something they have no time to use... not so much fun!

    Or,

    You build or buy the boat and find out you hate it!

    Its sort of like that size "7" font... a mistake!
  18. Old Phart

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    I dunno
    I was able to read the first three lines of your post.

    What was the rest of your keyboarding efforts? :rolleyes:
  19. karo1776

    karo1776 Senior Member

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    About ending health care for old folks
  20. Old Phart

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    I dunno
    Ouch! :eek:

    You guys are a rough crowd. :D