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  1. Norseman

    Norseman Senior Member

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    Commentary from a YouTuber

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    Good vid. Thx.

    I was in-correct in my post #6. Even with floats the tail does come down and engine blocks the view.

    Not only did the pilot not notice the boats down range; the tower also warned him of this. There was no acknowledgment of this from the pilot, no follow up from the controller.

    Further in post #6, IMO Crazy for a plane inherent with visibility issues to be carrying passengers. How doe even see the shoal marker rite behind the boats??

    There will be some NTSB and FAA stuff flowing down hill shortly.

    Look forward to comments from those involved. Boaters and the guy in the front/right seat..
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    Single engine float planes will have restricted visibility because they have a big nose and while accelerating to get on “the step” the big nose is pointing way up, hard to see, which is why we do clearing turns before adding the coal.
    I flew twin engine sea planes, small nose, no issues seeing traffic straight ahead at any attitude:

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    Above picture from Christiansted Harbor at St. Croix, on the way to St. Thomas, we did 8 round-trips a day, 16 take-offs and 16 landings, had plenty of traffic, but never really a collision risk on the water, more about clipping masts on sailboats or flying too close to cruise ships and getting complaints, but it never happened the 6 months I did it.
    Also we had reverse thrust @ 620 hp each side, if we aborted a take-off we could stop really quick, the plane in Vancouver did not, he was probably hoping to clear the boat last minute, but was a few knots too slow.
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    I was thinking, The control audio from that last vid.
    Complacency ..
    Repetitive and boring.
    He just fraking took off.

    Same for the controller for not ensuring an acknowledgment of his last; boat traffic ahead.
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    Yup, something slipped through the cracks in the cockpit, but the boat guy should also have kept his eyes open and his head on swivel while operating in a seaplane lane/area.
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    Yep, It is both of their fault.
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    That video is ignoring one major element : the COLREGS. Instead he relies on a simplified version from boat US. The COLREGS are clear: seaplanes shall keep clear of vessels, irregardless of which side they are coming from.

    assuming the rest of the video is accurate it seems that both the CARs and the FARs give “right of way” to seaplanes when a vessel is on port. A major conflict with the COLREGS

    Obviously the boater should have taken action and probably should not have been there in the first place but both the pilot and the controller / advisor are even more at fault.

    And again, a $50 dash cam mirror mounted high on the windshield would have solved the visibility problem.
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    How do you not hear the roar of a Beaver from an open boat ??? I read somewhere the boater was charged with BUI.

    Couple of weeks ago in Bimini I slowed down in the channel to let a Caravan seaplane cut across and start its take off, I could hear it from an enclosed PH.
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    I often admired the Chaulks planes.
    In crowded harbors, they seemed to never have a problem.
    I miss them. Not that I was ever a passenger, just thought they were supper cool.
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    I flew to Bimini with Chalks in the 90s. Cool. In 80s I flew a few times between St Thomas and St Croix, I believe their were the same seaplanes as Chalks, maybe with turbine conversion. Don’t remember. I know back
    Then it wasn’t twin otters
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    Chalks - as in O. Roy Chalks Trans Caribbean Air? I worked for him in the 80's & early 90's. After he sold to American Airlines. Quite a character.
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    Aside from the fact that the operator of the boat was apparently already charged (BUI, as mentioned above... :rolleyes:

    The fact that this happened on a designated "runway" changes things, which is the problem investigators are now having.

    Canadian Aviation Regulations (602.20) are aimed at seaplanes taking off and landing on bodies of water here, there, or anywhere.


    However, Vancouver Harbour Flight Centre - https://www.vhfc.ca/ - (ICAO: CYHC or IATA: CXH) is a registered aerodrome, and a tower controlled airport. It has a terminal, CBSA agents, etc etc. It's the busiest seaplane facility in Canada. Boating across the designated runway area is basically no different than driving your car into a land-based runway in the path of a landing airliner.
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    Interesting, 2 power boats were down range and a snailbote. Lots of traffic crossing (or near) the run way..
    And how does the pilot see that shoal marker? Or, is that his target and hopes he rotates before it?
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    Yes, same airplanes as Chalks, Grumman Mallards, some withe old radial engines and some with the turboprop conversion sporting PT-6 engines, same as the Twin Otters.
    The airline was Antilles Airboats: https://www.antillesairboats.com/

    The Twin Otter outfit started late 1983 and shut down 1985, Lewis Airlines , dba Sea Jet.
    The airplane in the picture above was later sold to a company in the Pacific where it crashed and killed everybody onboard due to “control problems”. I wonder sometimes if the internal corrosion from all the exposure to saltwater in the Caribbean could have been a factor in the crash.:(