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  1. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    We are only as strong as our weakest link.
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    Hi,

    I agree with Marmot here.

    I have done a number of build projects in what most understand to be the premium yards in the world. No matter where you are going to build an eye needs to be kept on it from the very beginning to the end or your client will no doubt feel the puff of the breeze as his kimono is hoisted high.

    I am also quite horrified as to the crop of so called experts who are touting for business with very inflated CV's trying to cover limited experience. The yards love this as it makes getting their own way so much easier.
  3. tirekicker11

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    K1W1 that makes all good sense.
    What would you think should be the minimum required experience and or certifications to overview yacht construction up to 24 meter?
  4. lobo

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    at the risk of deviating still further from the original thread title - and as the parallel thread is closed:
    there is a salvage report of the N75 that sunk in Cabo on the latest Vessel Assist San Diego blog page
  5. NYCAP123

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    Interesting read. This sinking exemplifies the weakest link theory and the raising exemplifies to prudence of going with the best that money can buy. Looks like Vessel Assist San Diego did an excellant job.
  6. PropBet

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    Yes, they did. Those guys are top notch.
    Honestly, the bigger task was getting to and from rather than the lifting of the boat.
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    i am learning who the experienced people are and who the want-to-be's are. this is very educational for a novice like myself. Marmot, herring season open's today in sitka

    have fun travler
  8. Kidworks

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    Nordhavn Lawsuits

    If you want to know the lawsuits against Nordhavn, you should check out Dan Streech post in the Nordhavn Dreamers Group. He laid it all out for all to see. How many other Yacht manufacturers would be so open? Not many I bet.
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    The president of PAE responds to lawsuit

    The president of Nordhavn just posted his perspective on this lawsuit in the second most logical place.

    David
  10. diesel one

    diesel one New Member

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    Statement by Dan Streech of Nordhavn/PAE

    In recent weeks and months, there has been false information and innuendo about Nordhavn showing up on the YachtForum web site. Because PAE was not a “supporter” of the YachtForum site with paid advertising, we were blocked from the site and unable to respond, explain or defend ourselves. It has been very frustrating to sit on the sidelines and watch the misinformation multiply and feed on itself. The rule of thumb in these situations is to stay stoically quiet and let the truth and common sense prevail. However, against our attorney’s advice, Jim, Jeff and I have decided to jump in and make a public statement with the facts as we know them and open a dialog which will help cool down the rumor/gossip mill.

    This statement will involve two subjects:

    • “PAE has numerous lawsuits pending…”
    • “N75 #2 had faults or deficiencies which caused the sinking in Cabo San
    Lucas Mexico…”
    EYF75 #2 SINKING

    See separate document written by Jim Leishman: “Sinking of Nordhavn 75 hull #2”.
    LAWSUITS...

    PAE is currently involved in two situations which have active unresolved lawsuits.
    The simpler of the two is a case by PAE against the stevedore company which was handling the offloading of MS56 #5 in San Diego in 2009 when it was dropped and destroyed. PAE was paid by our insurance company within 30 days of the accident and our insurance company subsequently filed a subrogation lawsuit against the stevedore company and the shipping company. PAE is a small inactive party to that lawsuit because a claim for the loss of our $17,000 deductible is bundled with the insurance company’s larger lawsuit.

    There is only one active legal case in which PAE is the recipient of a lawsuit and it
    involves a gentleman by the name of Erik Andersen. Mr. Andersen is the owner of an N47 and verifies the expression “sometimes your best deal is the one you didn’t make..”. Mr. Andersen has been unhappy with his boat and PAE since even before he took delivery. His fierceness and the relentlessness of his attacks make him look like more than one lawsuit but in fact he is just one guy with what feels like to PAE to be a vendetta with an attorney who is happy to be making a lot of money in fees. His latest lawsuit involves his allegation that we used unsafe wiring loom on his boat. The post on Yacht Forums by Mr. Andersen’s attorney which was a fishing expedition for material to use against PAE is pretty much ground zero for this latest round of speculation that PAE has legal woes.

    We are confident that this latest legal action by Mr. Andersen will go nowhere, but you never know when it comes to the legal system. In our last go around with Mr. Andersen, he prevailed on 3 of his many claims and was awarded a small token amount by the court. To help clear the air, a complete listing of all lawsuits that PAE has been involved in over the past 10 years is shown below. Additionally, the introduction statement to the judge filed in a motion to dismiss Mr. Andersen’s latest lawsuit is also shown below that.
  11. diesel one

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    Dan Streech's listing of lawsuits from the Nordhavn Dreamers Site

    LISTING OF LAWSUITS WHICH PAE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS



    1. Andersen; three lawsuits:

    a. Rhode Island, dismissed by the court

    b. Orange County Superior Court, Tried to a judgment before a jury in April and May of 2010. The judgment that Andersen obtained in the State Court action related mostly to:

    i. The speed of his commissioning which was done at the Newport Shipyard in Newport, Rhode Island;

    ii. The method of the mounting of his davit which was done by the Hinckley Shipyard near Newport, Rhode Island, and not by PAE

    iii. The special contractual agreement relating to the understanding of his special numbering of his wiring agreed to between Mr. Andersen and Joe Meglen, a retired PAE officer.

    iv. The amount awarded by the jury was less than 5% of the amount Mr. Andersen was seeking and PAE has paid all amounts awarded by the jury.

    v. Mr. Andersen was dissatisfied with the jury award and subsequent judgment and has appealed that to the Court of Appeal in California. The briefing is not yet due on that appeal and no resolution is expected in that appeal for a significant period of time.



    c. Federal District Court, Central District of California, Orange County action filed November 24, 2010 (amended on February 28, 2011) regarding the wire loom to which PAE has filed a motion to dismiss.

    i. Federal Regulation have been promulgated regarding boating safety in the United States and they do not require any particular specifications regarding wire loom

    ii. PAE is not aware of any actual incidents where wire loom played any part in starting or spreading a fire in any Mason or Nordhavn over the last 30 years.

    iii. The issue of fire retardant wire loom is not known to be an issue that surveyors look for or affects insurance availability or premiums. Surveyors and insurance companies apparently do not see the issue as a significant risk.



    2. Becket

    a. Federal District Court action by PAE against contracted Buyer of an N86 for declaratory relief that contract was valid and enforceable when the Buyer defaulted.

    b. Settled by agreement

    3. Conconi

    a. Orange County Superior Court action by Conconi against PAE arising out of the collision of an N72 with a freighter alleging negligent hiring of the captain by PAE.

    b. Settled with Mr. Conconi buying a N86; Mr. Conconi is also the buyer of N120 #1

    4. Fireman’s Fund

    a. Action against PAE alleging that PAE had not paid insurance premiums

    b. Dismissed by Fireman’s Fund when they realized they were mistaken and PAE had indeed paid the premiums

    5. Markel Insurance Company

    a. Lawsuit against PAE, Hubble and others arising out of the engine room fire started by a defective Hubble electrical outlet on an N47.

    b. Settled between insurance companies with no contribution by PAE

    6. Pacific Seacraft

    a. Lawsuit filed by PAE to collect loan amounts advanced by PAE to Pacific Seacraft

    b. Settled with re-payment to PAE over time by Pacific Seacraft’s guarantor

    7. Pearson

    a. Claim of personal assault off site, after hours, by PAE dockworker on dockworker’s acquaintance.

    b. Dismissed after motion by PAE showing no PAE responsibility for dockworker’s after work activities; nothing paid by PAE

    8. Siemens

    a. Lawsuit filed by PAE for damages against Siemens for defective diesel electric systems installed in a N72 and a N76; systems had to be removed.

    b. Settled to PAE’s satisfaction with confidentiality agreement as to the terms of settlement; no lawsuits by owners; owners taken care of by PAE

    9. Swayze

    a. Collection action against Buyer who took advantage of PAE billing mistake on final invoice

    b. Settled with payment by buyer

    10. N56MS

    a. Action against longshoreman who negligently allowed the N56MS to drop from the slings while unloading in San Diego, causing a total loss of the vessel

    b. Filed by insurance company who paid claim, seeking to recover PAE’s deductible payment as well





    PAE’S ATTORNY’S INTRODUCTION TO THE JUDGE WHO WILL RULE IN OUR MOTION TO DISMISS ERIK ANDERSEN’S MOST RECENT LAWSUIT



    I. INTRODUCTION

    This motion to dismiss is directed to the First Amended Complaint, filed February 28, 2011, after a motion to dismiss the original complaint was filed and set for a hearing. This First Amended Complaint attempts to state the same causes of action as the original complaint and does not add any material facts or allegations.

    A. Multiple Lawsuit History

    This is the third lawsuit filed by Mr. Andersen out of the same set of facts relating to his purchase, in 2003, of a Nordhavn 47 power yacht. The yacht was purchased from defendant Pacific Asian Enterprises, Inc., a California corporation (“PAE”), whose headquarters is in Dana Point. PAE contracted the construction of the yacht to defendant South Coast Marine Yacht Builders, Ltd. (“South Coast Marine”), an unrelated entity. The yacht was built by South Coast Marine at its yard in China and delivered to Mr. Andersen in Rhode Island in 2004. In the subsequent six years, Mr. Andersen has filed the following lawsuits:

    1. In 2007 Mr. Andersen sued in Rhode Island on his claims. That lawsuit was dismissed by the Rhode Island court for violating a choice of forum clause in the parties’ contract;

    2. In late 2007, Mr. Andersen filed substantially the same action in the Orange County Superior Court. That matter went to trial on the merits before a jury in April of 2010 and Mr. Andersen received a verdict and judgment in his favor at the conclusion of that trial. Mr. Andersen was not satisfied with the result and filed three appeals; of the judgment, the cost award and the attorney fee award. Those appeals are pending in the 4th District Court of Appeal; and

    3. On November 24, 2010, Mr. Andersen filed this action.

    B. The Substance of Mr. Andersen’s Claims

    Mr. Andersen has had a never ending list of complaints about his yacht, which has been ever changing. While none of his complaints have required expensive repairs, or substantially limited his use of the yacht, he has engaged in a vendetta against PAE in every forum available to him. The particular complaint in this action is that the flexible plastic tubing put around bundles of wires to protect those wires from chafe (“wire loom”) does not meet certain safety recommendations made by a non-governmental voluntary industry trade group called the American Boat and Yacht Council (“ABYC”). (Mr. Andersen’s contract does not specify construction of his yacht was to be in conformance with ABYC recommendations, nor does any governmental law or regulation require that such be followed.)

    In about 1999 ABYC recommended that the plastic material from which the wire loom was made meet the flammability standards under an Underwriter’s Laboratory UL94 V-2 testing standard, but for AC wiring only (generally higher voltage wiring). In 2002, the ABYC changed its recommendation so that the recommendation covered both AC wiring and DC wiring (generally high and low voltage wiring).

    Manufacturing custom has become that wire loom meeting this standard, UL94 V-2, has a blue stripe on the black plastic loom material to identify its compliance. As the complaint alleges, in about 2003, after Mr. Andersen’s yacht was constructed, PAE requested that its contract yards to use the wire loom with the blue stripe to indicate that the material met the UL94 V-2 standard.

    PAE has obtained the materials reports from the manufactures of the wire loom materials that show that the non-blue strip wire loom material that PAE’s yards used prior to 2003 nevertheless was rated to comply with the UL94 V-2 standard suggested in the non-binding ABYC recommendations, thus it appears that Mr. Andersen’s wire loom material actually does meet those standards.”


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  12. NYCAP123

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    Finally, facts straight from the horses mouth. I think Mr Streech stated his situation and position very well. Some other manufacturers might learn some things from this example. Note to Mr. Streech (and ambulance chasing lawyers): This is the way to handle these matters. Back door entrances look bad no matter what side they're from.
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    I believe that the above was for information purposes, and am thankful for the post.

    Only read the first page of comments, but can't understand why anyone would sense and anti NH bias in this post or on the forum, in general.

    If there's a boat safety issue, post it. We're all adults. No lawsuit is 'proven' until a decision is rendered, and for the sake of 'reporting' I'd like to hear how this one ends. Please keep us posted.
  14. NYCAP123

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    I think there will be a lot of broker's desks with the name Erik Andersen on a post-it note promimently displayed in case he should ever want to buy another boat.
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    I don't know about broker's desks but certainly on manufacturers desks there should be a note.
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    Sounds like the kind of guy who sues everyone he meets. Might just keep his name on my desk in case he ever comes east.:D
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    This is not true. Attached is a screen shot of Jeff Leishman's membership, as viewed in YF's control panel. Jeff has been a member since April 8th, 2010 and he made several posts on behalf of Nordhavn. His posts were removed on November 7th, 2010 after we discovered other PAE employees using YF to promote Nordhavn. On that day, Nordhavn's domain was added to our ban list and the promotional posts were removed.

    Nordhavn was never blocked from YF because they were not advertisers, which is evidenced by Jeff Leishman's membership and prior posts. The sinking of the Nordhavn EYF75 is a separate occurrence that came several months later, but a ban on the Nordhavn domain extension was already in place.

    Had someone from PAE contacted me and requested to post clarification in the EYF75 thread, this would have certainly been permitted, much the same way Bertram engaged YF after the sinking of 'Absolutely'.

    Attached Files:

  18. RER

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    He's already there...

    1. Andersen; three lawsuits:

    a. Rhode Island, dismissed by the court

    b. Orange County Superior Court, Tried to a judgment before a jury in April and May of 2010. The judgment that Andersen obtained in the State Court action related mostly to:

    i. The speed of his commissioning which was done at the Newport Shipyard in Newport, Rhode Island;

    ii. The method of the mounting of his davit which was done by the Hinckley Shipyard near Newport, Rhode Island, and not by PAE
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    Nordhavn have always had a bit of a tense relationship with the publishing world.

    Jeff Leishman and other employees may have abused the terms of the Yacht Forums by "advertising" their goods undercover if you will. To them it will have sounded as if they were banned for not advertising, to the forum it will have been because they did not adhere to the rules.

    I recall them falling out with Passagemaker as well. I was certainly disappointed by Bill Parlatore's lack of attention the mag gave to the Nordhavn Atlantic crossing and I think they were too....

    As the leader of the pack in terms of ocean passage making trawlers I guess all commercial publishers will dearly want them in as advertisers but it also undoubtedly means that Nordhavn want to be able to call the shots (as winners do) so there's always some tension there....
  20. K1W1

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    Hi,

    It would seem that the difference of opinions has now been settled as we seem to have a number of adverts and reviews aimed at them on here.