Nordhavn Expedition Yacht Fish 75 Sinks?

Captevan,

You must have seen the Volvo with the strainer on the suction side in the conference center as the one on display at the brokerage show had it on the pressure side and when I asked the guy he kind of huffed and puffed but then admitted that the newer models came with the a metal top and were on the suction side.

Capt. Bill11,

I think it was CaptJ who advocated the use of a large pump, large pump or small pump with shore or genset power would obviously make no difference to the battery bank, I was saying that if you lost the AC power then there would be a problem. Also why have an over size pump for every day use, they had the hydraulic one for emergency's but as they had limited alarms, external audio & visual they being ashore had no way of knowing the boat was flooding.

I say a big flashig light, loud alarm, an alert system thru' your phone and regular testing of the whole system would be the way to go. I was on a 160 footer at the show and actually took a photo of the board in the engine room that showed the dates of the last test of the bilge & fire pumps.

She floats again

The Nordhavn 75 is floating again in her slip but nobody has been aboard. She looks like nothing ever happened from the outside but inside.......another situation. I believe she was towed back to her slip.

There was also a comment on the Nordy Dreamers stating there was no litigation pending or otherwise on the other 75.

Hi,

As I have a few facts that indicate otherwise I would have to view that statement as an attempt to pass a cloudy substance past my sphincter to put it mildly.

Having a high water alarm only makes sense if it sounds the alert externally unless the boat is always attended which isn't always the case.
I rewired an older wooden planked head boat years ago and tied it into the air horns. This boat absolutely needed bilge pumps to remain afloat she leaked so badly. One evening as the horn was blaring, the captain arrived grumbling about being disturbed during dinner. As he got off the boat he told me he "fixed" that and cut the horn wires!!! Her keel was in the mud the next morning (and he was out of a job). Shows you can't make everything idiot-proof!

That walks the line between negligence and sabatoge, but he told you and you ok'd it. BTW, cutting the alarm doesn't stop the pumps from working. Ever consider adding more powerful pumps and dropping the boat into some sawdust?

Yup! I was going to suggest putting it on blocks and fixing it, but I figured they considered that and decided against that for some reason. Making the bilge alarm louder doesn't cure the problem, and eventually it will sound when nobody is around. Hate boats that want to sink.

No, it did not. However, having the automatic bilge pumping capacity that is less then most 25' center consoles come from the factory with in a 75' Expedition yacht certainly did not help.

Was going by this info and the not installed by Nordhavn tuna tubes being the main reason for water coming in.:

When traveling on the high seas, there will always be large pieces of floating or submerged debris, and there will always be accidents with the debris. A lot of times, people don't realize how much water is in the bilge until it is too late. In 10' seas would you really notice the boat feeling a bit heavy or a bit less stable if you had a 1' of water sloshing around in the engine room? Probably not.

You could use a Beckson handpump on most modern yachts and have no bilge pumps, and pump out the entire boat in 5 gallon buckets in minutes and have no electric bilge pumps. They're there in case you have an emergency and need them. For what it would cost to have large automatic pumps throughout the vessel, it would have been well worth it. Rarely do yachts sink because the owner wanted it to sink.

Only thing keeping a lot of owners from pulling the plug these days is how many got caught during the last recession (early 90's). They hauled up one boat in LI Sound from something like 180'. The good doctor lost his license and got some very serious jail time.

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