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Discussion in 'YachtForums Yacht Club' started by Cpt Sous-Leau, Mar 30, 2024.

  1. Cpt Sous-Leau

    Cpt Sous-Leau Member

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    I did some checking before my delivery decision and I would have to take the arch and antennae off for a few bridges, but the windscreen could stay on, depending on the water level in spots. I'm going to consider taking a trip UP the inland some time in the future when I can drive straight like a drunken sailor.
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    I prefer a name with 7 letters, one letter representing one of the 7 seas.
    Pronouncable is nice, even for english as a second or third language, something universal.
    It is something that is relevant to you and not everyone will know the root of the name.

    Element, as in a substance with atome of all the same atomic number.

    I kind of like this one, MPCurie, as in Marie and Pierre Curie of of Radium fame.

    Just having fun with your new project, I love boats! Congratulations.
  4. Cpt Sous-Leau

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    I'm liking some of the ideas. My fave right now is Radioactive with a Feynman diagram below the name on the transom. Maybe a diagram of a few atoms with neutrons banging about.


    Stay back - this boat is;

    RADIOACTIVE
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  5. Cpt Sous-Leau

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    Well, sadly my Carver 530 deal has fallen through. Sigh, it's a really nice boat. Too bad. So, I'm now looking at some 56 foot Carvers. I thought it was just a stretched 530 but it's quite a bit bigger overall. Taller, and with bigger engines. We might move up to the 56 if we can find one with good bones.
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    The BayLiners of Wisconsin did have some interesting styles that I assume you are shopping for.
    Glad you have not mentioned the Mut brand again (BayLiners of the Med).
    A Carver with good bones can be a whole different topic in itself.
    Have you looked into Tiara or Viking/Princess yet?
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  7. Norseman

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    Have you looked at the Sunseeker 56?
    Probably a tad better quality than Carvers anyway.
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    In the interest of learning from others, can you give us any details of the fall through?

    Cool if not, I will assume the seller thought the boat was worth more and there were no deferred maintenance issues.
  9. Cpt Sous-Leau

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    Is there any marine comparison between the two? I've never looked at a Sunseeker. If you have one in mind under $600k I'd have a look.
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    I kind of do have one in mind: My buddy in Houston may be selling his 56 as he is lusting for an 80’ something made in Italy.
    The 56 is well equipped and well maintained and spent quite a few years on a lake in Dallas.
    MAN engines, new props and a new generator.
    Let’s talk further on private messages or email. (I am not a broker, I don’t get a commission, just happy to help)
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    Sunseeker, think one or two steps above SeaRay built in The UK with a very long history of quality ,performance and design prowess. Under $600K, over 50' LOA and how old?

    I get that the Carver Voyagers are large and have lots of inside space and amazing staterooms and the rest. They are just not going along the coast off shore type boats. They are also prone to using a lot of low cost "builder grade" if you will, gear. Cleat backing plates, water pump sizing, minimal battery and inverter systems, lower volume tank volumes, simple sump boxes, the list goes on.

    A few I would consider looking into:
    SeaRay 58 and 550 and 52 Sedan Bridge.
    Princess V58
    Tiara 5200
    Sunseeker Manhattan 50
    Riviera 5000 Sport Yacht
    Finally, I would got Navigator over Carver, cause I did:)
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  12. Cpt Sous-Leau

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    No express boats, or express/bridge combos. Lets out all those except the SR sedans, and the Navigator. I was in a 58 SR sedan bridge, and while I like the boat overall, the interior layout did not suit me well. I also don't care for MAN engines, however they seem to work ok. Just not as well supported near me.
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    I don't see the Sunseeker Manhattan as an express boat, I guess you see that as and express/bridge combo, I think I get what you are laying down.
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    One of the first items I bring up regarding MAN engines. Who can service them.
    I luv them, nobody around here to work on them,, but me.
    And I'm to old for this stuff..
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    The Marquis 59 (MTU Series 60s) is sorta kinda along the same layout as a Sea Ray 550/58 Sedan Bridge. Helm forward, possibly with cockpit controls on the Marquis, versus helm aft on the SR. I dunno much else about Marquis...

    The SR 550 started with mechanical V8 MAN 800s, then changed to electronic common rail 900s (same block) and all the 58s had the latter (as far as I know). Pros and cons to each. (@Mapis might chime in.) The V8 thing makes the center aisle of the engine room a bit of a dance to get from one end to the other, but there's generally decent room for servicing.


    I haven't found problems finding MAN guys. The Gulf Coast Diesel guys did our rehab, and they're affiliated with a shop in Ft. Lauderdale. Up here, there are at least two nearby and I think a third not too far away. Probably easy enough to find somebody along the Gulf/Texas coast area, since the distributor is in Texas... Et cetera....

    My guess is that the newer (and lighter weight) i6-800s would be the bee's knees in boats like ours...

    -Chris
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    There are good / great shops and techs around some parts of the world.
    Some parts not.
    After all these years, Still not a real MAN shop around here.
    Oh, some local characters say they work on them but most local owners know of these guys and stay the heck away.

    Lack of all recreational marine repairs is pretty lacking in this area.
  17. Cpt Sous-Leau

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    If you look in the staterooms, they have the master suite at the bow. I don't like that either. The Carver has the master suited mid-ship. The other suite are bunks in the Manhattan. And I think some models of the Manhattan have a really squished galley. The int layout of the Carver 53 and 56 just fit me a lot better. Combo salon and galley in back, where the entry is located makes it the focus of the boat. Pilothouse and C couch for sit down mess to eat, and master suite mid-ship below with lots of room. The Manhattan doesn't have the volume to work with, and the cabins reflect that dearth of volume.
  18. Cpt Sous-Leau

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    Notwithstanding the hate for Carver's it's pretty much what I've decided on. David Pascoe would have a screaming fit, and rage about it, but I'm in closed waters, and I don't need to take on 8' seas with gale force winds. Horses for courses. If I was going to tangle with that kind of **** I would look at a Tiara or Hatty.

    I looked at the Carver 56 in Pottsboro TX yesterday and made an offer. We are now haggling about the cost of the coffee filters, and if it comes with full tanks. lolz...
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  19. Capt Ralph

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    Please don't call it hate,, just some lack of respect.
    But, as we have also been discussing, the layout and style are important to the man with the money.

    Please note, nobody mentioned Hatty or Hatterass.
    Not any style or layout to be found there.
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  20. ranger58sb

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    When we were last shopping, I liked much of both the Carver 530 and the 570/560... and I think Carver really is good at making space usable.

    I didn't care for either helm station in either model, though. Partly because I'm used to an aft-mounted helm on the flybridge, partly because the windshield rake was so steep at the lower helm (glare), and partly because there didn't seem to be much room for an extended nav suite at either helm (I didn't like the part about looking up above the lower helm windshield t see the plotter). All that, when I would have really enjoyed having a lower helm again.

    But then that's me, no reason to assume anyone else might like what I like.

    -Chris