Looking to build a New 80 to 90 yacht.

netgain1 · Jun 10, 2010

YachtForums said:

Great post K1W1! Another option might be a stair-lift, like this...?
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Great idea but. how do you transport the wheel chair from floor to floor.
beginning to understand this is not just a an easy install and go situation.

Thanks for the great comments and understanding

Gordon

netgain1 · Jun 10, 2010

K1W1 said:

Hi,

The issue of light load and stability change is a complex one to put it mildly.

It would serve no constructive purpose to go into the whole scenario of damage stability with 10% reserve fluids. I am not even sure exactly what rules apply to a small composite boat in regard to this.

My suggestion was an attempt to make you aware that the elevator is one of the trickiest things to fit and operate successfully on a yacht.

Not many if any are able to be used in all conditions. Some have accelerometers fitted to disable them when motion exceeds the design parameters.

On a smaller vessel you do have the advantage of not traveling through so many decks as on a larger one.

If your elevator is installed in a tube (as most I am familiar with are) and your tankage is arranged so that when you start to consume fuel and water although water is not such a biggie as it can be made onboard in normal circumstances if the boat develops a head up aspect (the bow rises as fuel is burnt off) of a sufficient amount to make the lift car difficult to move up and down the shaft them you will have a problem. If the boat is head down when full you could well have the same problems. Like wise if the boat is not really stable at anchor you can also have problems as the boat rolls around.

The yard may well have built a number of vessels previously with a degree of success. If the project you are bringing to them has challenges that have never before been undertaken by that yard there should be some sort of oversight or due diligence to ensure that the calculations are going to closely match the finished product from someone who has experience in these matters.

As for finding a Maritime Lawyer in Seattle, you can start with Google

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sour...orneys+in+seattle&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

If no one on that list feels comfortable to work with PM me and I will ask a well known Seattle Designer I know for his recommendation and give this to you.
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Under maritime attorney there is a long list regarding personell injury types but could not see any contract law types on the list under that heading???.

Please send a private message that I can respond to.

Gordon

lwrandall · Jun 10, 2010

netgain1 said:

Great idea but. how do you transport the wheel chair from floor to floor.
beginning to understand this is not just a an easy install and go situation.

Thanks for the great comments and understanding

Gordon
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The easiest thing is to have a couple of wheelchairs. One for the main deck and one for the lower deck.

Another builder who seems to go out of their way to make the customers wishes come true in your size range is Hargrave. Their sweet spot seems to be in the 90-110 range.

lwrandall · Jun 10, 2010

I was thinking and I thought I remembered seeing video of a Hargrave Yacht they built for an owner who is in a wheelchair. Below is a video on YouTube about that yacht.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?client=mv-google&v=IP_ZFdq6oM8

netgain1 · Jun 10, 2010

that hot link did not work

lwrandall · Jun 10, 2010

Sorry. I will repost link when I get home. If you go to YouTube and search for Hargrave Eds Toy it should come up.

lwrandall · Jun 10, 2010

Repost of link.

Here's the link again for the Hargrave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_ZFdq6oM8

coastaldrifter · Jun 28, 2010

netgain1 said:

Looking to building a new 75 to 90ft yacht starting this year.

Must have a elevator for my wife in a wheelchair and three staterooms for my family. Will be planning on having a Captain and crew on a full time basis.

Looking to cruise the Northwest Waters from Alaska to California.

Looking at Ocean Alexander, and other manufacturers, and recommendations for other yacht builders.

The power to be Cat c32 as per Yachtforums many comments, thank you.

Looking to spend 6 to 10 million on the completed yacht delivery in the next 18 months.

Netgain1
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Here is a good video of a beautiful Hargrave 81 built for an owner in a Chair.It should give you some Ideas. I am the father of a 22 year old child who is in a Chair and has been since birth.We haven't let her challenge stop us from boating either. God willing I will retire in about 10 years and take her cruising full time. My hats off to you for you and your families commitment to your chair-bound loved one. Regards Randy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_ZFdq6oM8

netgain1 · Jun 29, 2010

I feel it was better to build one in my local area than half way around the world, with another language to start with.

Thanks for the thoughts and input.

netgain

coastaldrifter · Jul 2, 2010

Sorry about the duplication of data on the Hargrave I didn't notice you already had it until I published.RP

lwrandall · Jul 2, 2010

netgain1 said:

I feel it was better to build one in my local area than half way around the world, with another language to start with.

Thanks for the thoughts and input.

netgain
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I can understand your reluctance about building overseas. The unfortunate fact is the US has a limited number of custom builders who build in that size range. With only a handful of production builders who will modify. Hatteras may work with you. US builders are not set up for semi-custom work. Too costly and not efficient. A couple of builders out west are more accommodating. The below 100' semi-custom market has been left primarily to the far east builders. These far east builders are nothing like they were 20 years ago. Their work is definitely top notch and they love to do what ever the can to accommodate the owner's needs. Prices aren't bad either. I've been looking into these builders for quite sometime now and I can say the engineering and build quality are second to know in there size range and the wood work is top notch. Some of the better builders would be Horizon, Ocean Alexander, Hampton and of course Hargrave.

CaptPKilbride · Jul 2, 2010

Hunt Naval Architects

A little smaller than what you are looking for, but the design concepts are there. NEB builds a nice boat.

http://www.neboatworks.com/power/hunt_68.php

http://www.huntdesigns.com/custom-66-01.htm

netgain1 · Jul 2, 2010

lwrandall said:

I can understand your reluctance about building overseas. The unfortunate fact is the US has a limited number of custom builders who build in that size range. With only a handful of production builders who will modify. Hatteras may work with you. US builders are not set up for semi-custom work. Too costly and not efficient. A couple of builders out west are more accommodating. The below 100' semi-custom market has been left primarily to the far east builders. These far east builders are nothing like they were 20 years ago. Their work is definitely top notch and they love to do what ever the can to accommodate the owner's needs. Prices aren't bad either. I've been looking into these builders for quite sometime now and I can say the engineering and build quality are second to know in there size range and the wood work is top notch. Some of the better builders would be Horizon, Ocean Alexander, Hampton and of course Hargrave.
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In my back yard in Vancouver Canada is Queenship which specialize in doing custom work and looks like that will be a good Company to work with.

Thanks

lwrandall · Jul 2, 2010

netgain1 said:

In my back yard in Vancouver Canada is Queenship which specialize in doing custom work and looks like that will be a good Company to work with.

Thanks
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Yes Queenship was one of the yards I was referring to. They build excellent boats. Their beams tend to be on the narrow side but they have solid engineering and from what I know will do custom work. I would jump on them in a second if they would update their sub 65' boats.

netgain1 · Jul 2, 2010

There are offering a 85ft 22ft beam that looks very interesting

lwrandall · Jul 2, 2010

netgain1 said:

There are offering a 85ft 22ft beam that looks very interesting
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I stand corrected. I was looking at there older designs which where 65' with a 17' beam. The new designs look much wider and the 74' Merriweather looks great. What 80' are you referring to. Couldn't find it on their site?

netgain1 · Jul 2, 2010

They have not built this yet it is on paper and the design has been tank tested and approved.

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