Lars Modin Design

Newbee,

I am glad to hear that you like to meander along this thread. As you could see when I compared the sizes of Victoria 206 m with 100 m Bling it is not just the length that´s added; http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8697&postcount=133

However, I would love to make a future classic of 100 m as well and it wouldn´t surprise me if more traditional funnels will be seen on more yachts again since you are now more or less forced to have drystacks for environmental reasons.

/Lars

Victoria II, 152m / 500´

Of course I had to see how small the 206 m Victoria could be, so I removed two decks and now she is 152 m. This would be the limit for this design concept I think...

On Victoria I estimated that crew will be 100 to 150 if you include personal staff and there will be accommodations for up to 150 guests.

Victoria II has only half the volume, but still you need all kinds of crew and staff, why this figure will be at least 80 to 120 and total number of guests around 100.

But on the other hand, cruise ships of this size carries ten times as many...

Thanks Olli, I was thinking of the comparison too yesterday and prepared this picture...
/Lars

Since this Jon Bannenberg design (now named Grand Cru) is one of my favorites I think it can be of interest for more of his fans to see that the project seems to have been realized although I have not found out exactly how it happened.
Among the first times I saw the design was in an Italian Yacht magazine back in Jan 1992. I have now taken the liberty to show the cover and a picture where you can see that the hull of the model was blue on one side. On this picture you can also see a young Michael Breman, then marketing Baglietto and today the sales manager with Lürssen.
I also remember Camper & Nicholson showing a nice rendering in their marketing in the early 90:s. After that I saw the bare metal hull outside Baglietto and then nothing until now when she is revealed as built in Greece under the Baglietto name. As you can see on the plans and pictures she got an extended salon on main deck and also a salon aft on the bridge deck with the tenders moved to fore deck. Instead of four large cabins she now has six. Not exactly as Jons idea of "recreating a yacht of the thirties with big open spaces and an up-to-date outlook" but almost...

Gambling on "the next name"...

You are making the same observations as many designers..

There are of course many reasons, but I would think that the yacht brokers are still playing a dominating role in the selection of designers. Read what one of the major brokers say to prospective new-building clients on their website;

"Getting a select few designers to work up initial proposals allows you to develop your brief with fresh ideas, while deciding which you feel most comfortable working with. Simultaneously a XXX broker will be short-listing builders, suitable for your project ..... .... all taken into account, as are resale value and weighing up benefits of a strong ‘brand’ builder and designer versus gambling on the next ‘name’.... ... Even if your heart is set on a particular designer and builder before you talk with us, it might just ease any concerns"

To become a "next name" has less to do with design qualifications than with the ability to sell yourself. This is of course a fact not only for designers.

However, I think that today the buyers of new yachts are becoming more used to the internet when gathering information and they also know about WYSIWYG, What You See Is What You Get. In the past a naval architect was the king over the entire construction and designers were not heard of. This changed with Jon Bannenberg above all, talking of yacht design as an artform and without any previous knowledge of yacht construction he showed that a designer could change the industry.

Since then a new breed of designers have emerged, some are still better as interior designers but have built their "brand names" through the brokers and are designing the exterior as well. If you should ask me to name some good designers, I could only give you a handful that I know of, but as you say this is not a politically wise comment so I stop here...

As an addition to this thread I have now made an index to easier find some of the designs one more time;


Banzai, 30 m "mini-Bannenberg";
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5327&postcount=2

Sting Ray, 27.5 m Sailing yacht;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5383&postcount=3

Stealth, 36 m High-Tech motoryacht;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5426&postcount=4

Nordique 43 Fly, 43 feet fast trawler;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5490&postcount=5

Ketch, 55 m twin engine ketch;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5719&postcount=10

The Originals, 100 feet Day Racer and Venetian waterjets;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5743&postcount=11

SK 150, Neoclassic Skerry Cruiser;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5938&postcount=40

Launchette 32, affordable Picnic-boat;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5992&postcount=45

D30 SC, new 30-foot power concept;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6058&postcount=62

Modea, 46 m Superyacht design from 1992;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6434&postcount=73

Modesty, the 300 feet Megayacht from zero to...;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6763&postcount=80

Pandora, 165 m Gigayacht concept;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6891&postcount=81

30m, 100 feet classic long range cruiser;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8683&postcount=132

TRY 160, 49 m power catamaran;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8709&postcount=139

Victoria, the 206 m Gigayacht;
http://www.YachtForums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8514&postcount=113