Help with college project

Then why on Earth would you say "I think it is rare to have 12 sleeping guests on a yacht, then it becomes a cruise ship..." ?

So I said 50 instead of 43, makes no difference. A 6 stateroom boat sells before a 5, and 12 passengers is hardly rare. Sleeping 12 onboard doesn't make it a passenger ship. There is a reaon for that number that I thought a captain, yacht designer, and charter broker should have known about ... after all wasn't that statement supposed to be advising a budding young designer?

First, we are not discussing charter yachts. My personal experience is that yachts are rarely filled up with sleeping guests and my personal view is that 12 is too many, this is why I used this: ...Sorry if you didn´t got it.

new problem,

its come to my attention that i have to work out the - weight estimation/distribution, hydrostatics, stability curve, intact stability, damage stability.
how much detail would a 'designer' go down to? i did this bar the intact stability and damage stability for a 42' cabin cruiser for work and new its construction and everthing that went in to it... and that was effort... a 66m superyacht! is there a program that will work this out, or at least half of this?

lars, all good, i got the wink.

far

You can never learn too much, but if you are talking of a 66 m yacht, it is far too much for one person to make all drawings and calculations.

A Naval Architect is normally responsible for the hull and the performance, and the Designer is doing what you see above the waterline.

i totally agree, im pretty sure its just an estimate that there after, i will further the question. cause it just sounds to extreme. maybe Jabor can shed some light on the situation.

also i was thinking of using Starfire lower deck layout? any pros and cons to this? or does someone know where i can find a layout of Predator? my hull is pretty similar to that.

also when a boat gets booked for charter, are the guests likely to be from all the same family (blood relations) majority of the time? and how many crew would u need, Starfire has 12?

far

My son jumped into this feet first last year. He carried out extensive analysis and comparisons, yet came up with conflicting conclusions. He planned his time well, yet ran out of it. He trawled the worldwide databases for information, and trusted the wrong sources. He also put a lot of faith in my advice, he took some, ignored some and after an extremely intense and copious amount of work and healthy expectation, he didn't make the finalists. The standards are extremely high, and extremely subjective.
My only advice (deliberately biased toward generality and individualism) would be to design the project from inside out, not the outside in, and to plan your time extremely well. Set yourself sign-off target dates for (examples only) concept / hull form / internal layout / exterior styling / presentation etc leaving yourself some margins on time. And finally, dont leave a cursory glance at whatever classification rules may apply to the last minute...I'd hate you to realise a rather blatant issue just as your final renderings are printing off.

Interesting perspective from someone starting out and hoping to prove their worth. I hope you are extremely tallented.

Art Center?

Hi,

There are very few amongst the current crop who have any level of comprehension of the technical implications of some of the back of a napkin scribbles being turned into something that works more than it's broken down.

Pretty colours and textures along with soft furnishings where the Owner can climb on top of his companion of choice do not keep the yacht running straight, on an even keel and cool in a hot climate- Do they?

Yacht "designers" (the pretty, pretty brigade) as you see them are really stylists, the real nuts and bolts, functional design work is done by Naval Architects and Engineers.

My SO graduated from the Art Center about 10 years ago and her portfolio is anything but transportation, most of it is industrial design.

And being a marine engineer she is also amused at the stylists' claims to vessel design.

Nice point on the stick there K1W1 ...

YOUNG DESIGNER OF THE YEAR AWARD 2010

Submission Requirements
REQUIRED DOCUMENTS

The following documents must be submitted on CDROM or DVD, in the allowed format (Adobe Acrobat). Failure to submit all the required documents or in other formats without the prior agreement of RINA may lead to disqualification of the entry.

1. Main index

The main index must list all the required documents submitted.

2. Brief summary of entry (Max 1000 words)

The summary should briefly describe the entry, including how it meets the design specifications and any special features.

3. Technical/Design Data

3.1 General details.

3.2 Stability information (weight estimation/distribution, hydrostatics, stability curves, intact stability, damaged stability etc).

3.3 Performance prediction, power requirements, sea-keeping.

3.4 Technical drawings (GA, Decks lay out, hull form, principal systems).

3.5 Rules & Regulation (Rules and regulations complied with)

3.6 Images (Maximum 12 images)

4. Team details - CVs of members of the design team.

ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS

Additional documents, images etc may be submitted. These must be listed in a separate index and in the allowed formats.

hi,

ive been emailing the Director, The Royal Institution of Naval Architects, ill keep names out. but this is what he sent me.
and basically said, the more depth u go down to, the more your impress the judges.... thankyou HydroMaxPro, that should take care of most of -3.2

Jabor, im half way through making the scale model. profile, top, front, back views have been completed. trying to figure out the the G/A of the boat is getting little trickie.

what i am worried about is the power plant. would love some help on motor selection. can u get any old MTU or CATERPILLAR etc, and throw on an electric motor? i hear there is a loss of power, but not much.

far

Seems as they are aware that the designer can not do all of this alone...

Hi,

I wonder if they are asking for team member CV's to make sure there are no specialists lurking in the background giving out their own ideas and designs under the entrants name.

Someone may be realizing that working smart IS working hard and that the detail you shortcut may be the one that gives the job or the award to someone else. I don't envy you guys or anyone learning their trade. There is just so much to learn and know these days. Good luck.

Hi,

If you can get a copy of Simple Ship Stability by Alfred Carver that would be a good place to start, failing that can I suggest becoming a naval architect first so that when you do get to design things that no one has seen or thought of before you may have some understanding of the effect on stability, sea keeping and structural integrity.

It would certainly allow you to join an elite group of Stylists (Inferior Desecraters) who have an understanding of the practicality and limits of some things they are pushing.