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Does YF Cover Bering Yachts?

Discussion in 'Bering Yachts' started by leeky, Jul 20, 2021.

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  1. leeky

    leeky Senior Member

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    YachtForums, in the Bering 77 Explorer Yacht Tour thread which is locked now, you posted, "We stopped coverage a few years ago when the principal began taking the wrong Bearing; it wasn't true north." However, Yacht News has posted 5 Bearing Yacht threads in 2021 and 3 Bering Yacht threads in 2020. So, your statement about stopping coverage a few years ago and Yacht News' posts are not in agreement.

    I wouldn't have created the Bering 77 Explorer Yacht Tour thread if I had known that YF policy was not to cover Bering Yachts. I, also, would have sent this to you via PM, but I thought others might be confused, too. So, which is it -- I mean, what's a mother to do? To Bering or not to Bering?
  2. YachtForums

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    We stopped doing reviews on Bering years ago because they stiffed us for several thousand dollars in advertising and screwed JWY. The coverage we've provided since then is only news pieces because I prioritize the archives. Trust me, I publish the Bering news pieces reluctantly.

    I tried to word my post so people could read between the lines, but as you seem to think I have some ulterior motive, I'll leave you with this: I'm a consumer first, publisher last.

    Caveat emptor.
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  3. Capt Ralph

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    I thought you posted those videos to turn more stomachs with more bimbo time.
    I could not imagine you were serious about the boat itself.
    I never buy a car or truck from any vehicle dealer that runs sick car or truck commercials either.

    You may have missed it; Another broker injecting a POS interview video also in your thread. :oops::oops:
    That was stripped and thread locked then.

    You can still feel special, your BimboMercials are still intact.:eek::eek:
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  4. YachtForums

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    That broker represents Bering and took the opportunity to turn the thread into a promotional piece, at which point I stripped and closed the thread. For 18 years I've been pretty transparent. It is disheartening when members take me to task when they don't know the backstory.
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    It's refreshing that an online platform stand firm on a moral high ground. Thank you.
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  6. leeky

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    Actually, I enjoyed the videos and I do like the boat. Until YachtForums posted above, I didn't know about the issues with the company itself. I still like the boat.

    As far as feeling special, that only happens to me on YF when you lavish me with your words of kindness.
  7. leeky

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    So, you're faulting me for pointing out a contradiction in what you said and what was done by Yacht News. Since this is your forum, obviously you are right. However, in the real world NOBODY can know any backstory unless YOU tell them -- it's a backstory. I didn't imply an ulterior motive; I asked for clarification concerning what looked like a contradiction to me.

    As a person whose been participating in forums for 36 years, I strongly advise you not to rely on viewers to "read between the lines." What may seem clear to you might not be deducible to someone who doesn't have the inside knowledge that you have. How was I to know that you "publish Bering news pieces reluctantly"? Now I know, and I will behave accordingly.
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    Viewers can't read the lines, much less between. I've taken on Bering people before on this and another forum. They've periodically had employees show up to promote them, most who first tried to act like non-employees and refused to answer direct questions. When your headquarters are out of your home near Raleigh, NC and your offerings shown include mostly boats you've never built, and I have no idea about all the people listed although some are girlfriends and spouses. Not to mention the relocation of their production or the sloppiness observed on some of the recent boats. Oh, wait, I did mention them.

    I just advise people not to fall in love with a boat and then be very careful in choosing the people you deal with. I toss one last Bering comment out. If you had a problem, do you have any idea who you'd attempt to take legal action against or even in what country?

    As to your post, Leeky, I don't think it was the problem. It was their follow up to it that was and I do agree with you that no way you or others could know the backstory. It's fine to talk about Bering, just not fine when they ignore rules again. Their prior bad acts couldn't be known and their future bad acts will have to wait. I do see they list an attorney now as part of their team.
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  9. Mautana

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    Ahh come on y'all. She's pretty smart about what she's looking at and hubby Rico knows how to keep the camera shots intriguing. Stripes are nice.
  10. HTMO9

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    My family and me are shopping for a Trawler Yacht in the 77 to 80 ft, means within the 24 Meter CE length. Among some other boats we saw the Bering 77. A pretty big boat. We started a deep search on the boat and most of all on the Yard / company.

    By the name of the company and the contact adress of the yard, one could think, it is a US company. But it is not. There is only an office in the CONUS and one representative for Europe. All of those contact persons and the owner of the company are Russians! The boats are built in Romania or Bulgaria and / or in the former Yugoslawia / Turkey (?) by other companies. They do not seem to have any own infrastructure. The contact possibilities in Europe are only one Email adress and a cellphone number.

    My Rep was able to locate a Bering 77 and was ble to visit it.

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    - My Rep was not impressed by the quality (materials, steel work, machinery and internal woodwork).
    - The Contractual paperwork and building process was by far not according to our standards.
    - This square shaped floating container, especially the underwater part, did not seem to be very efficient.
    - The center of gravity was most likely pretty high, as this 77 footer needed obviously 4 Stabilizers.
    - The Bering 80 is even worse!

    My Rep adviced us strongly to walk away from this project. That makes the Nordhavn 80 still our favorite 80 ft full displacement boat.

    If other members of YF have different ideas and boats in mind, please tell me, we are open for suggestions.

    HTMO9
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    The notorious launch of Bäden/Blood Baron springs to mind, looking at your photo...o_O
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    Has anyone had any experiences or insight with the Bering 65? It's size and layout with a steel hull is intriguing.
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    I looked at a 2013 65’ a couple of months ago for a friend. After 10 minutes looking at all the issues outside he was ready to leave. that included poorly installed teak decks, loose hinges everywhere, paint issues etc


    We briefly looked inside but wasn’t even worth the time. Quality was awful and not aging well. It was an 8 year boat that looked 16 years old. Poor craftsmanship, layout issues. I believe they were built in china back then which would explained the quality issues.
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    Not a suggestion. More a question/comment. Back around 2015 Dan Fritz formerly of Queenship teamed up with American designer Steve Seaton and conceived a line of steel trawler expedition yachts to be called Cape Scott and ranging from 70 feet up to 114 feet I think. They would be built in the Song Thu yard in Viet Nam with naval architecture and engineering by the yard in association with Donald Blount. Build supervision by a well known New Zealander. Looked like a reputable team. The deck plans were posted on Yachtopolis (and still are) and the project got several positive reviews from several magazines including Motorboat and Yachting. The exterior designs are quite attractive to my eye and the layouts range from standard, to inspired to quirky. Anyway - poof!!- the whole thing disappeared and none were ever built but they are still advertised for sale on various sites. I can't find anything about their current status but they were interesting boats. (To confuse matters a Cape Scott 86 was built in 2002 but was GRP, designed by Pat Bray and built in Vancouver, Canada. Nothing to do with the above). Just FYI.
  15. YachtForums

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    I spent a weekend with that New Zealander at his home outside Maple Ridge in 2008. Not only a boat building sinsei, but a master of breaking boards too. To the best of my knowledge, Dan simply ran short of funding. Judy might be able to provide more insight. Darn shame because Dan was a good boat builder. I particularly liked the Sea Spirit line. Wish more had been produced.
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    If I were in the 80' full displacement market, I would be hard pressed to find the boat as I prefer newer construction. You might be correct in the Norhaven 80. I just don't see much available. Like Bering, Allseas has a less than what one would expect from a yacht builder as an online presence. I am not sure if Allseas is designing in your 24 meter CE rating length. I just recall seeing one in Southern California from the dock and she looked to be a beast, but 90+ feet so likely out of the length goal.

    It sure is a missing bit of the market, full displacement 80', supply and demand or what else could be the reason?
    Do corinthian owner operators stop looking for yachts at 70'?
    I look forward to hearing @JWY 's input.
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    The 24 Meter CE border is mainly for carrying the German flag and most of all for the "drivers license" of my son. Yachts above 24 meters are not recognized by the German authorities as a yacht and 24 meters is the max. length for leasure yacht certificates.

    This is an example of an customized layout provided by a friend. He gave up looking for the ideal 80 ft yacht and bought a crewed boat in the 115 ft range.

    I think, I could live with this layout with only very minor changes. I would extend the sun deck, change the outside stairs to the same direction on all decks and place one of the tenders on that extended sun deck. But that would be it. One other thing, I would may be choose, are MTU S60 main engines.

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    I understand, it is hard to design a 80 ft yacht with 3 and half decks, minimize the draft and still achive a comfortable and safe stability. But Nordhavn seems to have achieve that.

    If we will not find any better, we (actually my son, I only pay for it) will go for this boat with this layout. I will then place his pretty fast Alustar 78 ft IPS flybridge boat on the YF listing for sale.
  18. JWY

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    I was laying low on this one, but since you asked...

    There is a huge gap in the 70-90' trawler market. The only choice I would consider at this point is a custom build from a reputable yard. For reputable yard, I know of a couple of yards in Canada and a few in Holland for this size. Otherwise, I would wait until the right used one came on market, but at this point, they would be several years old. In this size-range, my used preferences for North American builds would be Northern Marine (2002 - 2006), Cape Horn, and ABD Aluminum and select Dutch trawlers. Pretty pitiful. I would beg a quality builder to come up with a marketable full displacement boat in the 70-90 size range.
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  19. HTMO9

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    We are open for any inputs. Judy, which Dutch Yards, do You have in mind. Most Dutch Trawler Yachts are based on Vripack Designs and they all look the same. My favorite Dutch yard in that size would be Moonen but it looks, they are only building bigger boats now.
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    Moonen is at the top of my list. Yes, it's a problem that most of the Dutch yards are only building bigger. Jongert and Kuipers were also quality builders for that "smaller" size.