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  1. 84far, Aug 10, 2010
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    84far Senior Member

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    When I see, hear a Navy vessel, I usually get the **** out of the road whether I have the right of way or not... The people in the 21'... :confused:

    Far
  2. JWY, Aug 10, 2010
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    Was on sea trial yesterday and heard the announcement on channel 16 that the Navy was performing exercises from Port Everglades south to Hallendale and to use caution in the area. Perhaps they even said closed - long day, can't remember. We did see the bigguns out there. And yes, we stayed clear. :eek:

    I don't ever recall hearing an announcement like that. Are the exercises local and close in that rare or are they more interested in announcing their whereabouts due to the recent collision?

    Judy
  3. Marmot, Aug 10, 2010
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    Nothing new there. Fort Lauderdale has a fascinating and little known history as a test site for some of the leading edge antisubmarine and mine warfare gadgets since WW2.

    Here is a slightly outdated but still fairly accurate description of what goes on at that corner of the port.

    http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA477054
  4. JWY, Aug 10, 2010
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    Great stuff! I thought I saw our YF Carl in one of the pictures ;)

    Judy
  5. ScotL, Aug 10, 2010
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    Very interesting indeed. I only got part of the way through, however, I will finish it when I get home.
  6. Capt J, Aug 10, 2010
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    I have seen and heard them performing exercises in that area several times over the years.
  7. RER, Aug 10, 2010
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    Marmot wrote: "The only problem is when they are awakened they tend to solve the problems by creating even larger ones."

    LOL... That certainly is hard to argue with.

    San Clemente Island and its vicinity has been active with Navy exercises for fifty years. Anyone who operates a vessel in this area should be aware of it. (local knowledge!)

    The Navy maintains an SCI website with a comprehensive schedule of restricted areas and closure's due to military activity. Prudent mariners make use of this information if they plan to operate in the general area of SCI.

    Sometimes the Navy will close an area around the island to civilian traffic. Often times they do not. It is common for private boaters, mostly sportfishers, to 'mingle' with Navy vessels that are involved in military exercises. The area is home to some of the best SoCal fishing spots.

    It does not take a very high IQ to figure out that you should keep your distance from the Navy vessels. Unless of course you like to get automatic weapons pointed at you and the F-word screamed at your crew. This would be the case even before 9/11.

    One thing's for sure here, heads will roll. The federal government really does not like being embarrassed.

    Otter: I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
    Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
  8. Marmot, Aug 10, 2010
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    But they do it so well and so often you'd think they loved it. :D

    So, what's the word on the street out that way? The admiralty usually likes to make an example out of lower forms of aquatic interlopers. Keeps the rest of us on our toes, eh what.
  9. RER, Aug 10, 2010
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    No word. The dive boat community keeps pretty much to themselves. We don't hear from them.

    Oh, and so far, no word from the crew of the big boat either.
  10. Ben Diss, Aug 10, 2010
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    Your characterization of the airspace limitations imposed by the Washington SFRA is a little generous. While I don't want to defend the overzealous FAA restrictions to air travel, the DC SFRA restricts air traffic in a 30 mile radius around DC. GA can fly into the SFRA, provided they obtain prior permission (which includes a FBI background check). Nothing on the Delaware-Maryland peninsula is off-limits to GA. I'd also like to clarify that GA can travel anywhere airliners can go, so long as they are properly equipped, trained and cleared.

    Don't get me wrong. The post-911 airspace rules are onerous and unnecessary. My point is that your statement could be misinterpreted to imply a greater restriction than truly exists.
  11. Marmot, Aug 10, 2010
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    I suppose it was generous, in reality it is a bigger pain than I implied.


    Not much is really "off limits" but anyone in the air within a 60 mile radius is subject to mandatory training at the very least and incredibly draconian control otherwise.

    That 60 mile ring touches the Delaware border so even if you have no intention of going anywhere near the Bay, you are subject to the airspace grab.

    I used to keep my airplane at Easton (ESN) so I am aware of just what a clusterf**k the whole affair is, and it was worse when people flying into Kentmoor and Baybridge for a burger were considered threats to national security.

    And that is the whole issue, first it was 30 miles, and the confusion of bizarre rules led to violations and made them look foolish so then they added the mandatory training within 60 miles - over 11,000 square miles of airspace grab! What's next? When they get used to managing risk by exclusion you had better hang onto your assets because you have just been defined as a threat.


    If you fly around there and don't consider it a great restriction you must be driving something owned by DoD or an air carrier. :)
  12. Ben Diss, Aug 10, 2010
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    Is it a pain? Yes.
    Is it needless? Yes.
    Is most of Maryland off limits? No.

    -Ben [PPL, IFR, N59210]
  13. OceanFrontWalk, Aug 19, 2010
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    You need to review your Rules of The Road.
  14. K1W1, Aug 19, 2010
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    Hi,

    Who does?
  15. Marmot, Sep 29, 2010
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    Since the story of the destroyer/small boat collision seemed to go so quiet, I filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Navy for any records relating to the collision.

    It seems that there are none. The Navy claims they have no records of any sort indicating that the USS Shoup ever collided with anything. I guess they don't read the newspapers.
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