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NYCAP I guess you are trying hard to get this thread closed... why are you bringing politics into this ?

Let’s not isolate ourselves more than the pandemic already has. Politics is like a plague on a forum. Can we practice political distancing? Please?

Cases are skyrocketing in Florida also, since things started opening back up. I have a feeling things will start getting closed back down here.

As Olderboater said, Asia did really well locking it down fast. As they get new outbreaks, WHAM!! lock-down again where in whichever city/province needs it. That's what is needed to happen now.

I think we should ban tobacco.

First we saved huge numbers of lives. Second, had we not shut down by now no one would be shopping and getting out. If at this point 600k had died and 10 million diagnosed, business would still be destroyed and people not working and the economical impact would have still been severe. It wasn't a choice of virus or no virus. It was how to deal with the virus and had we dealt more strongly with it, we'd be better off today. Retail and customers are driving the need to require masks and distancing.

The Bahamas have incurred less cost than we have in the whole of things. So they haven't had tourism, but then neither have we. Neither has any country. Their choices were a virus ravaging their people and no tourism or protect their people and no tourism. There was no choice that would have protected tourism.

As to the herd theories, they haven't worked well elsewhere. They didn't 100 years ago. Plus there is no evidence that one develops long term immunity to Covid 19. More and more the scientists believe that any immunity may be very short-lived.

Really expect the #'s to rise, as here in Wash, DC so many protesters not wearing masks and side by side (nearly hand to hand), actually expect #'s to rise in all cities experiencing the protesters.
So we are heading south to St. Pete hopefully less craziness there than here in Wash, DC (yup leave 85 degrees here for 90 degrees there)
Wish everyone a safe and happy 4th of July God Bless America.....Be safe ~ Stay safe.

Scott

Well, St. Pete mayor just made them required again.

I think its Microsoft, but welcome corrections, already has developed a "contact tracing" app for your cell phone. Some view that app as too great an intrusion on privacy rights. So the discussions continue ....

Someone saying "from my cold, dead hands" regarding a cell-phone is very worrying.

Statistically you don't know this. There is very little data to evaluate a massive population there. Those who attempted to report information were cancelled.

China subsidizes the EU economy. They also subsidize many US politicians and activist groups, sports leagues, Hollywood.

Nation to nation travel needs to be kept to a minimum until a vaccine is available, but you also can't remove US politics from the EU decision making process.

Decisions made in NY have been absolutely horrible, the absolute worst in the country. I don't think most inside of that bubble see that movie.

And why can't we get enough swabs for testing. Yes, many states have more testing capability but not the swabs to support it. Meanwhile, the US government has 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine.

Also note that as bad as Florida seems right now, nothing like Texas. Houston may be the next hot spot and Dallas is talking about turning the convention center into a hospital as hospital beds are nearly full.

You see there is this little thing called the United States Constitution which limits what the federal government can do.... this why the governor of your state signed the death warrant of tens of thousands of elderly citizens... Even at the state level we ve seen cities and counties setting different rules

one size fits all doesn’t work. Central planning has been tried for three quarter of a century and failed miserably. It was called the Soviet Union.

as to the federal government not having assisted NY, you are completely wrong. Hospital ship, loads of equipment etc. Maybe you should be wondering why NY didn’t have a stockpile of ventilators even though the state had been warned it was not prepared for a health crisis. Why? Because the stockpile purchased a few years before had not been maintained and was sold on eBay!! I m not making this up... look it up!

Adjusted for population, NY has a higher weekly death rate from Covid than Florida, Georgia and California (states I bothered to check).
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

Testing. All of Brooklyn, for example (and not being political) are out in the street partying and protesting, not being tested. NYC is out in the Hamptons, partying, not being tested. Meanwhile in Florida the line for testing at the Orange County Convention Center is a full day long in waiting time. Testing is rampant in Florida right now as more have been tested this month than the prior 5 months combined.

So, it's NOT that Florida is suddenly getting sick. Rather the improvements in access to testing have caught up and numbers are rolling in from that improvement.

Add, NY never ran short of beds, PPE, or ventilators. Limited PPE early, yes, but they always had the tools and made terrible decisions that did not follow CDC or White House Task Force guidelines. Of course that's a significant target for spin and deflection right now, and the rioting helps hide those responsibilities. Add complicit media.

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It's so easy to be ignorant inside of the information bubble. He lives inside that bubble. He hears the propaganda fed to him and buys off on it.

The military built the hospital at the Kravitz. Unused. The Navy sent in the Mercy. Unused. They converted Mercy to Covid. Unused. Thousands of ventilators sat on shelves available, unused. Covid patients were sent into unprepared or equipped nursing homes against protocol, yet parents of politicians were pulled out of those facilities and placed into private apartments. NY never ran out of equipment or supplies. People died because of bad government decisions coupled with the very nature of the darn place, people stacked upon people, all using the same subways that weren't cleaned for months.