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2009 Miami International Boat Show News

Discussion in 'Boat Shows & Yacht Watching' started by Loren Schweizer, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. rocdiver

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    No more Shadows? Too busy with "The Sails"?
  2. SeaEric

    SeaEric YF Historian

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    Any more details on this news? It sounds interesting.
  3. Brian

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    Yeah Carl, come on.
    You have wet all of our appetites.
    Tell us more eh?
  4. PropBet

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    Would you be willing to expand on this? (bold)
    I find this very interesting, and would love to hear more of your thoughts on the topic of the boat industry charting the way (in and) out of recession (like) times.

    ~PB
  5. NYCAP123

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    I think he's half right on that. The timing looks right, but for the economy (humble beginnings). The boat biz may take longer. I agree "that the boat economy leads the general economy into recession", but I'd be more apt to believe that it will follow it out. First people have to know that they still have some money left and that will require the DJ to go up substantially.
  6. YachtForums

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    The consensus on the docks... and this was a majority quorum... is that people have money to spend, but they are taking a "wait & see" approach. While attendance was down (that's an understatement), there are still buyers in the market, although many appeared to be bottom feeders. Hey, who can blame 'em?

    When Loren refers to boating leading the economy, he's looking at a larger picture and I agree with him on this. The big boat buyers are first to return because they often represent the staples of the economy. These sectors continue to thrive, no matter how bad retail looks. People need the essentials. The essentials pave the way.

    But what do I know. I'm a bottom feeder.
  7. NYCAP123

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    Megayachts=essentials? It'd be nicer if they put that money back into the stock market to help the ecconomy instead, but I guess that's not their style.
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    Buying stock doesn't help the economy. Building a yacht, which puts people to work from the people who do design and the ones who manufacture components all the way to the people who do major assembly to painters and polishers at the end of the process, is a real stimulus. Lots of little dogs eat when the big dogs come to feast.

    Trading shares of stock really has more of a psychological effect than a direct effect (though increased share values do make a larger market cap which potentially lets companies borrow more at lower rates...).
  9. NYCAP123

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    Buying an existing yacht puts nobody to work, and ordering a new one won't put money into the economy for a year or more. Even at that they are only putting the money into a very limited area and barely enough to make much of a difference, plus they are paying way less than the asset is worth. The organized sell-off in the stock market has eliminated over one third of the investments of the middle-class as a whole. These same people who are burying their money in yachts (bought at the bottom of the market) and other such will later gobble up the stocks (at the bottom of the market) after they've wiped out the middleclass' investments. Yes it is the capitalist's way, but it is despicable at this degree. They and the oil companies may have gotten just greedy enough this time that they may find the price surprisingly high.
  10. YachtForums

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    I never said yachts were essentials. I said the essentials pave the way for these purchases. I'm talkin' staples, which includes everything from soup to lug nuts.

    Although this is a good topic, let's try to keep the thread on heading.
  11. Pascal

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    i think you're wrong... Most used yacht buyers end up spending a lot of money on yard work, upgrades and refurbishings. This keep the yards busy as well as a whole bunch of sub contractors.

    Ordering a new yacht creates jobs, pretty quickly since in a recession you won't have to wait for the yard to get started. Sure it's limited to one builder, town, etc.. but it helps.
  12. YachtForums

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    I don't know the full details, but in short, the owner of a Trumpy named "Showtime" is contracting Vicem's yard to build cold-molded boats under the Trumpy name with a design that remains true to the era. I *think* he has purchased the rights to the name, but he may have acquired other assets too. Again, I'm not sure.

    One thing is for sure, Vicem can certainly build the boat and dare I say, build it better than the original. This yard is carving a name for itself in wood. They build boats the old-fashioned way... with blood, sweat and years. The result is rather remarkable. Some of their finishes rival gel.
  13. nilo

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    Vicem

    As to my knowledge Vicem will build the boats under contract just like they have been building the Windsor Craft for Genmar.

    Vicem recently building a composite superyacht around 46 meters, designed by Frank Mulder. No doubt this will improve their capabilities in terms of technical knowhow. Another positive development is that they have employed ex-gm of Grand Banks as their technical manager, who no doubt will bring a lot of good knowledge on the technical front as well.
  14. ayachtguy

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    Trumpy Lives

    The story on the Trumpy Vicem starts with Jock West, former publisher of Yachting and marketing entrepreneur, who bought an older Trumpy (now named Showtime) and enlisted a number of marine clients in a brilliant idea: take this vintage yacht and use it as a showcase for their products. He restored the Trumpy beautifully and has taken it on a circuit of all the East Coast boatshows, where show-goers can not only see the classic boat but all the products in a working setting rather than just a booth. In the process, Jock found several people at each show who wanted to buy the Trumpy itself, loving the vintage lines. They wanted classic, but without the effort of doing a full restoration themselves.

    So Jock went searching for a builder of modern classics, which had to be in wood...glass would have been sacrilege. Vicem is the perfect answer, with cold-molded hulls using WEST epoxies for strength and longevity. Jock also enlisted a real Trumpy, Johan, grandson of the founding Trumpy,who was delighted to join a team building new-old Trumpys. With original styling and all the modern amenities from stabilizers to bow thruster to a/c, Jock and his team (which also includes Jim Ewing, former production manager at Alden) seem to have a winner on their hands. They are offering the Trumpy 63' Flush Deck Motoryacht with the price set at about $2.9m, for which you can lounge in wicker chairs on that elegant afterdeck and sip Cosmopolitans while sneering at the fleets of white plastic yachts around you.

    You can see more at http://trumpyyachts.net/ or in the March issue of Yachting Magazine.
  15. Pascal

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    i'm drooling!!! this is great news, i hope they are succesful...
  16. Loren Schweizer

    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    Like the judge who announced that, while he could not actually define pornography, he knew it when he saw it. I worked for a small manufacturer of high-end yachts with mutiple dealers across the U.S. as well as around the world from 1977 to 1989. Ray Charles could have seen production markedly fall off in 1980, even though international sales rose from less than 15% to over 30% as the U.S. recession of 1981-'82 took place (the economists told us about it a year later).

    Even more memorable was the occasion in mid-1988 when the int'nt'l + domestic sales guys were sitting around a table and comparing notes regarding whose dealers weren't taking orders--virtually none of the U.S. stores were, as they were choking on product amidst a dearth of prospective buyers. And, this was prior to the Luxury Tax of 1990. Said 'goodbye' to the wholesale end of the business and began a stint in retail.

    2004-2006 and early 2007 were pretty good, but one could observe that foreign buyers were out in force late in that period (relatively weak USD), while domestic (there was a blip of Canadians when the Looney and the USD were par) activity dropped off. My take is that the boat business had already receded markedly by the FLL 2007 Show followed by serious price declines during 2008.

    IIRC, we were told by the media that the current recession began in December 2007.
    Listen: twelve months earlier, red lights & alarm bells were going off from such arcane clues as a seriously inverted Yield Curve (bonds) to a preposterously overbuilt/overpriced home market...what's that, Ray? You saw that too? Didn't buy a boat, didja...

    The typical recession lasts 18 months.There are those buyers, the "bottom-feeders", who wait for just such a downturn. I am seeing an uptick in activity in the $200-700,000 range...with optimism slowly displacing fear--which still prevails--and can sense pent-up demand will drive fear away, especially as we enter The Season (over the past decades, boat sales form a bell curve with the peak sometime around mid-June to mid-July).

    Full recovery? Don't be ridiculous; that may not occur until 2011 or so. But make no mistake, it will happen. That is, if the Hired Guns in Foggy Bottom can shoot straight.
  17. NYCAP123

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    IMHO that sounds right on the mark, but I'll still say from your lips to Wall Streets ears.
  18. capt109

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    Miami boat show attendance off by 26 per cent

    By IBI...

  19. Windswept

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    I think the Trumpy reborn is pretty neat but it will be inetresting to see if the reproduction/continuation of the Trumpy name will take hold. I would assume owners of "real" Trumpys that were built in Maryland and NJ will sneer at this but they might embrace it.
  20. NYCAP123

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    The name Trumpy will never mean the same thing again. It's just trading on a name to sell boats.