Yacht Listings - No Crew Cabin Pics?

"There are also a good percentage of buyers that would never think to even look at the crew quarters ..."

Very true, and that was my original point. If enough buyers cared there would be pictures. The lack of them doesn't impact sales so nobody bothers.

I have seen this happen. Try doing a service on the 1050 MAN's in the 61' Viking SC (flybridge). It takes an hour round trip just to remove the hatches, salon table, salon carpeting and put everything back with 2 guys. Not to mention all of the servicing has to be done hang down on your stomach. Not a fun job.

But that's the difference between a good broker and a not so good broker. How much time does it take to take pics of the crew quarters or engine room while you're taking pictures of everything else. If there are no pics of the engine room, I instantly assume it's a dissaster of a mess and thats why there are no pics. You see pics of the washer and dryer on every other listing, why not the crew quarters? One would assume the washer and dryer looks like a washer and dryer......

I'm reminded of my mother's words: "Better to be silent and thought a fool than open you mouth and prove it". By showing nothing you assume the engine room is a mess, etc. and you arrive with lowered expectations. That's one for the broker. Remember, they're not there to find you the right boat. They're there to sell a boat. 'Never give the prospect a reason to say no.'

I'm looking for a bigger/newer sportfish for my owner. He put me in charge of finding what he might like- and I know quite a few other SF captain who's owner have done the same thing. If I don't see E/R pics and Crew pics I'm turned off and less likely to send the info to my owner. That means we will not "arrive" at all.

The broker knows that the odds are still with him. If those areas are good it's pretty certain that so is the rest so you'll probably ask to see more. If they're bad you weren't going to come anyway, but you may if you don't know they're bad but see other areas. Sales is a science.

Exactly. Not the buyer. That's not to say that if all are happy it's not a beautiful thing, but his job is to sell a boat and to show it in its best light to that end.

I don't mean to lower the tone of a good thread but after 25 years,the thinking about crew accommedation comes down to one thing. Sex.

I've worked on boats where the mast passed through the middle of the crew bunk, another that the crew shower was as powerfull as kittens' pee.

Ah, now here's the question, would you take a girl back to it?

I have been lucky enough to have had cabins that have a sofa and coffee table, broke that. One with a fold-out bed, broken twice (well the girls in Tahiti are quiet big).Another with no crew mess, ever tried to eat a salad on the foredeck with a girlfriend on a first date in 30 knots of wind?

So, please designers, think of the children.

Fish

We all want to think of ourselves as ethical, but come on now Judy. Other than the medium, what exactly is the difference between someone selling yachts, real estate or used cars? You may try to make the buyer happy, but you don't represent them. Your job and responsibility is to sell the boat and to represent it in its best light.

There are many sides/issue here. NYcap brings the hard I live near 5 million people side: very little matters but the money, and that's what it boils down to. Yes a broker does not get paid unless the vessel sells. But there is more to life than money, and that is the other major side as Judy is espousing. We all have choices to make everyday, and some of those choices come down to saving $ or feeling better about our actions. Some folks end up on the saving money side more often, and others think money is less important than doing what they believe is the right thing. I avoid if I can those that strictly deal on the money side, and if a broker I know that is more on the money side I'll avoid them if I can. It's my personal way of voting that type of thinking to become less important. I bought a house in '07- there were many many deals, but I refused to buy from a "flipper". I ended up with a great house that I bought $50K under appraisal as when I viewed the house I told the owner what was important to me was the happiness of my wife and three boys. I explained I was gone at least 6 months a year as a traveling captain. She skipped other higher offers to sell me the house. Everyone's first order of business is to have a good life- if you believe money will bring that, fine. If you believe it's less important, also fine.

Their not salesmen. You could have also told a "buyer's broker" because they would be representing you (which is also why a buyer will often bring their captain along). But the selling broker is interested in one thing,i.e. selling that house or boat for as much as they can get because that's how they make their living. And that's not to say there is anything wrong with that. And if all sides of the deal are happy all the better. But there is a reason you and I are boat captains and not salesmen. Even when I help out dealerships my job is to show, explain and build interest. As soon as the topic gets to money I pass it off to the sales team.

It's just a matter of degrees. There is at least that involved in brokering a midtown NYC office or apartment building. I just read about $60M and $27M deals falling through. Somehow I don't see the brokers working to get the buyer's deposits back as he would if he were representing them. It's all sales. Your expertise just determines the commodity. Again, nothing wrong with it, but if you're a buyer you have to understand who the players are and what to expect from each. Remember, Madoff is a broker.

" ...if I don't see adequate information presented in a listing, that could be the deciding factor in a call. The relationships that I have with my clients are long and they have a lot of trust in me to present them with the best options possible."

In that case, don't curse the darkness. If you want to present your clients with the best options, light a candle. Call the central broker and ask for digital photographs. Seems like a no brainer to me.

If I were looking for a 200-300 foot Yacht, I would have several different Brokers looking for me all over the map. The one who found a Yacht that fits my personal needs and those of my guests would get the business.
If your looking for large crew cabins and disqualifying Yachts based on the comfort or lack of, for the hired help, I doubt you will be selling any Yachts anytime soon.

Cheers to JWY!

My applause to you Judy, pure class! That is the finest of broker wisdom.

No one wants to discover a serious downer when walking the perfect boat dream, especially when you must travel significant distances to find it. Having been in real estate development for 25 years, I have never wanted to apologize for what the buyer saw. Save a trip, for them and yourself, and represent the girl for what she is, not what words (or missing images) can cause one to imagine.

Evan

Fallacy of false equivalence. Just because the word looks the same does not mean the definition or connotation is the same... Madoff Securities functioned as a Broker-Dealer which is essentially just the firm conducting the transaction. Madoff himself was a salesman, not a Registered Rep or Broker (and only recently filed as a Form ADV RIA).

The obvious insinuation of your statement is that a yacht broker is out to scam money from boat buyers without delivering any goods or service.