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  1. wiredup, Mar 14, 2022
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    I agree after coming out of my GT. There are no 59/65's available. The Fish Tank was on the market for a bit then pulled, they wanted 5+MM
  2. Pascal, Mar 20, 2022
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    A rare sight these days… three Hatteras MY side by side here at Highbourne, three generations with the older one standing out with its Hatteras beige color

    couple of days ago I saw one of the few 105s Hatteras built over at Staniel cay. Good looking boat. What a shame.

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  3. Capt J, Mar 20, 2022
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    I've been told Hatteras has orders for new sportfish over 2 years out.
  4. olderboater, Mar 20, 2022
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    Now the question is how many that is. Hopefully it's a stepped up pace and hopefully more models planned. Having orders for 2 years is great if that's 40 boats, but if it's only 4 per year or 8 in total then more a comment on limited capacity than order book. Sleuth for a number. lol.
  5. mapism, Mar 20, 2022
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    Aesthetic is subjective of course, but imho external look ain't exactly their strongest point, and never has been.
    Which I suspect is part of the reasons why most buyers of a 100'+ MY would not even think of Hatteras.

    That said, personally I wouldn't mind swapping my 56' with one of their 105 RPH for living aboard.
    If it weren't that it would be much more demanding to keep up with everything the larger size implies, that is!
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  6. Slimshady, Mar 20, 2022
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    Sorry but every builder with a heartbeat has a long backlog. Doesn't speak to the quality just strong market imbalance. Some builders put one boat in the water and have orders on the books. These small operators will most likely disappoint their clients not wow them.
  7. Liam, Mar 24, 2022
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    Regardless of the fluff that builders are saying. The moment is good but not super.
    There is also a reduction in production due to the supply issues. For example Sunseeker made 125 boats in 2019, 110 in 2020, and like 105 for 2021.
    They will make the same number of boats just over a hundred in 2022.
  8. olderboater, Mar 24, 2022
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    Always a lot of fluff from builders. Talking future order books always in question as some of those fall by the wayside and then if you're not increasing capacity, it's not extra business. Now Sunseeker's 105 may be close to their 125 due to size of boats, but the key is they haven't grown, haven't increased capacity. We were there in 2021 and the plants are packed, but they've still got order availability.

    If I'm building 4 boats at a time, doesn't matter if my order book is 8, 16 or 24, my sales will still be the same.

    It's not something builders will ever admit to say they're seeing softening in the market, but many are right now. Even Viking looks great but look how much of their building is Center Consoles.
  9. rtrafford, Mar 24, 2022
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    Gotta at least give a nod to Covid shutdowns of 2020 coupled with the hiatus of the work force. Then mid season 2021 to this date has a massive challenge for obtaining parts, including engines. I have a relation with a builder that has numerous projects on hold, waiting for diesels. This stuff isn't a talking point.

    Sunseeker, and the like, let's see what they do in 23 and 24. Of course the credit market is beginning to ripple...
  10. saltysenior, Mar 26, 2022
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  11. saltysenior, Mar 26, 2022
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    Boat captains bought 66ft. Vikings when they retired ??? Must have got paid more than me and all the ones I know..
  12. olderboater, Mar 27, 2022
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    They made much of it as charter captains. Sold their previous boats. Then their last job before we hired them was captaining roughly a 200' yacht, I think technically 199'. Normal salary range for such a boat is $144k-300k per year and it was two of them. So, not telling what they made but you can guess they did quite well. Did well as our managing captains also.

    They bought the 66' Viking well before retiring, and even ran it for a while for fishing charters. Full day charters in Fort Lauderdale run around $1500 typically, $1000-1800. Six days sport fishing charters as high as $10,000.

    In their careers they went from barely making ends meet running charters in NC and doing deliveries to doing quite well. We have captains on this site doing very well also.
  13. Capt J, Mar 27, 2022
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    It depends on the size mix, if you're just counting numbers. IF you were building lets say 50 boats a year and the median size was 75' and now you're building a median size of say 60', you can probably pop out a lot more boats.
  14. Big Truck Joe, Apr 16, 2022
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    Can’t we all just admit that Vikings look better than Hatteri ever since Hatteras adopted that ugly “euro” teardrop window design in the early 2000s. Unless it has the black mask wraparound painting, the hatteras window does not look sleek. Aesthetics and eye appeal play a huge part when paying $3-5 million.
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  15. Capt J, Apr 16, 2022
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    Aesthetics is in the eye of the beholder, nothing is uglier than where the Vikings have the flybridge level overhang the house level by those 5" or the aluminum grab rails on the side of the house.
  16. Big Truck Joe, Apr 23, 2022
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    “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder “
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  17. Liam, Apr 26, 2022
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    I also think Viking became among the best looking production sportfish since they went with the flush decks design onward from 2009, and today featured in all its models.

    Since then in my opinion they have some models which can even compete with a custom.
  18. Slimshady, Apr 26, 2022
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    They might look like a custom but they don't run like one.
  19. mapism, Apr 26, 2022
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    That's not saying much, really.
    If there's one reason that nobody in his right mind would buy a SF for, it's beauty.
    The captain of a stunning X-Yacht who isn't very familar with mobos in general once asked me if boats must really be as ugly as all SFs are, just for catching fishes.
    I think he has a point!
  20. Pascal, Apr 26, 2022
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    I don’t that overall sportfish age pretty well and most importantly have very simple clean designs. The long bow is also pretty good looking.

    None of these stubby design where the designer has tried to cram in the longest possible house… no winglets or off shapes sprouting off, or lines clashing in a bunch of directions. No weird windows in the hull.
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