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Have yacht designers ever been on a boat?

Discussion in 'Yacht Designers Discussion' started by Pascal, Oct 10, 2012.

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  1. Pascal, Oct 10, 2012
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    Ease of boarding came up in the MAN Thead so I figured I d post this in a new thread and make it about those flaws which drive most knowledgeable owners and captains crazy... Please feel free to contribute your own horror stories and pictures

    This is how Azimut expects folks to board their new 70 footer: by stepping on a slippery and angled surface! It s so bad that someone decided to glue some kind of non skid pads...

    This appears to be an standard features on Mutts as there are 3 more on the same pier with same stupid tapered stern and slippery gelcoat border

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  2. carelm, Oct 10, 2012
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    They make up for it by having guests being totally overdressed for the task at hand, ie, boarding a boat. J-Lo being a prime example. Has she ever heard of sneakers or some other non-lethal type of shoe?

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  3. Pascal, Oct 10, 2012
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    There is also this beauty...

    It has a 6 foot section of hull totally unprotected (rub rails are just so unsightly...) and no boarding gate in the railing so you have to climb over... Then if you look carefully you ll see that if you need to set a spring line far aft the line will be rubbing on the gel coat due to cleat placement...

    And hard to see in this picture but the forward section of the railing extends outward beyond the railing. I guess the designers have never needed to pivot off a piling!

    Nice job FairlIne!

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  4. Laurence, Oct 10, 2012
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    Anytime J-Lo wants to come on my Chris Craft with short skirt and high heels, I'm all for it!

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  5. Yacht News, Oct 10, 2012
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    wow... :D
  6. Yacht News, Oct 10, 2012
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    We'll it could get scuffed depending on how long the boat's tied there that way. I often see them putting a soft 'sheath' (not sure what the correct name is) around the mooring line or fender line that will rest on the yacht's painted finished surface. Maybe if they did that, it might not have been that big of a deal.
  7. Pascal, Oct 10, 2012
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    Isn't it a lot easier to put the cleats and chocks in the right place?
  8. YachtForums, Oct 10, 2012
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    Such a good thread! And it may never end. Keep 'em coming!

    Here's one of MANY additions I could make. The picture speaks for itself...

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  9. Yacht News, Oct 10, 2012
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    Point taken but I was just suggesting what I see being done in the cases where improvisation is needed.
  10. Capt Ralph, Oct 10, 2012
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    Naw!!
    Tar & feather the dummies who designed it that way. There are a whole bunch of companies out there trying to sell their goods. The poor designs should be pointed out on these threads.
    After an owner puts out big bux, they should not have to cover the designers flaws (or theirs for not recognizing a blunder in thought).

    Lets plunder the blunders!!!
  11. Capt Ralph, Oct 10, 2012
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    I kind of like the non-skid step idea. And other same model owners did the same. Think support group for dummies.
    Ya think, some owners would of thought about this before the purchase?

    Geee, How do I get on & off my new boat???? It was easy at the boat show...

    Straw heads...
  12. Capt Ralph, Oct 10, 2012
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    Oh, the J-lo pic, notice nobody is looking?? Bunch of Unix's? Still would have raspberry her on my 35 year old boat with heels. But then, probably it's her boat,,, Oh, straw head puchaser,,,...
  13. Old Phart, Oct 11, 2012
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    Improvise this, while enjoying Montezuma's Revenge - tic toc tic toc

    Here's one that begs the question, "What were they thinking?"
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  14. Fishtigua, Oct 11, 2012
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    I saw that too. What is the one thing that gets used more times a day in a bathroom? Stupid.

    The foredeck crane for the tender on Big Fish it still one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on a boat.

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  15. Talon, Oct 11, 2012
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    If the hydraulics fail on that, crunch and splosh!!
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    Have you seen how they wash windows?
  17. Pascal, Oct 11, 2012
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    That setup is pretty ingenious actually, except that those hydraulic rams should have been another foot longer for the tender to clear the deck

    Here are two examples of poorly desigbed lazarettes:

    65' or so Grand Alaskan I looked at a few years ago: lazarette can be accessed from the ER thru a water tight door as well as from the deck thru a hatch. Problem was that you could not open the hatch from the deck so if you loose a rudder you can't get in the laz without flooding the ER!

    - 60ish marquis with crew quarters. Nice water tight door between ER and crew but on each side are two large opening hatches which are just a wooden panel with cabinet latch! No point in the water tight main door!
  18. Yacht News, Oct 11, 2012
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    Looks familiar, that's on the Le Trawler by Garcia Yachting in the review we recently did. I wondered the same thing when I was reading the review.
  19. Capt J, Oct 11, 2012
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    The 1990's+ 76' Lazzara's only had a door on the swim platform for engine room access. Very unsafe to enter while running at cruise, door was less than 1' above the waterline, so if you had a flooded engine room you would sink the vessel by opening the door in an attempt to locate the source of the flooding.
  20. discokachina, Oct 11, 2012
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    Actually I think builders like Azimut, Princess, and Sunseeker expect folks to board their boats stern to Med style like you see here in pics of their displays at last year's FLIBS from the Showmanagement website

    azimutdisplay.jpg

    princessdisplay.jpg

    sunseekerdisplay.jpg

    Since their vessels are displayed this way at shows in the water and on land it probably never occurs to the uninitiated to think of boarding any other way until they are faced with the situation for the first time after purchase.

    lazarradisplay.JPG

    Lazzara's display is setup in the same fashion.
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