What happened to MAN diesels?

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Wrong. Although well behind MTU and CAT, they are the third leading marine engine. Riva uses them heavily. Sunseeker uses them. I don't know who else does. 730 to 1800 hp, primarily for boats 40 to 80 feet.

They are for light duty use. Now they also have separate commercial engines for continuous duty.

What he said. The earlier MAN's (pre common rail) got a bad rap for vibration and being very smokey/stinky at 1000rpms and under. They had piston issues in the 1050's and 1350's and it had nothing to do with the oil pump, just bad parts. The common rails run good and don't have any internal issues to speak of. They do have some sensors and electronics that go bad more often than they should.

Lots of complaints a few years ago about MAN not honoring warranties. I don't recall the details now but I remember the picket signs outside FLIBS one year, then an airplane towing a banner over FLIBS the next year warning consumers of the same.

Their strengths are acceleration and power in the low ranges and they are fairly compact.

They claim to also be economical, dependable clean and quiet but I don't see that. Our personal experience is no better or worse in fuel economy. Ours have been dependable but they're also relatively new. And as to quiet, they're quieter than comparable sized CAT's but significantly louder than comparable MTU's.

I think they have a niche in the industry, but it's quite small compared to MTU and CAT. While I have no experience with their commercial engines, I do with their yacht engines, assuming you call 44' and 63' yachts. But their targeted use is under 1000 or fewer hours per year, light loads and moderate utilization. I have no complaints in boats for which they seem to be well matched.

That advice was about as good as what you paid for it. The only tempermental thing I can think of about them is with issues with sensors prematurely failing......coolant pressure.....things like that.

What? Cabo never sold out to Hatteras. They were sold to Brunswick in 2006. Brunswick then closed Cabo's manufacturing facility in Adelante and moved their manufacturing to Hatteras's facility in 2011. In 2013, Brunswick sold Hatteras and Cabo to Versa.

When the start of your post isn't accurate it damages the credibility of the entire post. But then you started this wondering if MAN was still in business (google is your friend) and then said they must have gotten out of the private yacht business since you hadn't seen MAN's in used boats since 2007.

All that I can say is based on my own experience. 1998 820 Mans, I have not followed their schedule, except for the majors, they have been good to me.

That's not semantics. Semantics is the study of meaning, but there is no question as to the meaning of saying "selling out to Hatteras." It's clear what that means. So, wasn't an issue of semantics but was one of facts.
Sometimes they're important.

So just so we're straight, MAN is alive and well. Man is in pleasure yachts. Brunswick bought Hatteras and Cabo at different times. Brunswick sold them both to Versa. Oh and while Cabo is primarily CAT, they do offer MAN on some models (800's on the 44).

So you considered a Porsche powered craft? And you label all European boats as Euro-Trash but think BMW's and Porsche's are good?

And the statement you're not a racist in referring to a Sunseeker and European boats is rather absurd. What race do you think most Europeans are? How in the world would racism come into play? Europe is commonly referred to as a Continent although some argue with that, but not a race.

And for the record we like both of our Euro-trash boats with Man's, unless you'd prefer to label them Italian trash. But then I also have an Italian auto. Is it also Euro-Trash? Belle has a German auto but you haven't said if German was Euro-Trash or not. If so then I guess Lurssen is also? Of course then so are The Netherlands, so you might need to define exactly what Euro-Trash is for the unenlightened among us.

Signed....Obi-Wan Kenobi. (And please spell my name correctly in the future).

Wow, just.. wow. Where to even start with statements like this.

You abhor this type of vessel and refuse to consider or to even look at them, still you seem to have extensive knowledge about ALL of them and their sole purpose after seeing one example?

This has to be the 10th thread you started that backfired...

Lets all keep in mind that YF is comprised of some passionate people. We can't expect every member to have the same level of knowledge. I'm certain each of us has expertise in other areas that exceeds the yacht specific knowledge on YF.

NEO56 made a generalization. We are all entitled to the same.

New MAN diesel engines

MAN had two new diesel engines on display at the SMM 2014 in Hamburg.

First engine was the V12 engine 2862 LE. It is a new version of of the well known high speed series that reaches (at light duty rating) up to 1800 HP. The new version has 1.000 HP at full continous commercial rating.

The second new engine is the first example of a new high speed engine family, a V12 engine, called 175D, with different ratings and a power range from 1.740 KW at heavy duty rating and 1.800 RPM up to 2.220 KW at medium duty rating at 1.900 RPM plus 1.440 KW up to 1.920 KW for onboard power generation at different ratings and frequency. A 16 cylinder version and higher RPM variants are under construction.

This engine is aimed at the market segment of the MTU 4000 and the Caterpillar 3500 series and has some very interesting new features and data.

To me it looks like, MAN Diesel & Turbo is still alive and going strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ulpOAzGDshE

www.175D.man.eu