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  1. Oscarvan

    Oscarvan Senior Member

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    OK you pro's.....

    (wink wink from a guy that drives a 355,000 pound airplane....)

    Walking the boat sideways.....

    Say, to Port......

    Rudders opposite (starboard), 80-100%
    SB engine FWD idle, kicks the stern to port.
    Port engine reverse, 150 or so RPM above idle.....

    Result..... boat moves to port about laterally.....

    (Proven concept, on SOME boats.)

    My question... Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience doing this on a Hatt 53.... and how compliant is she?
  2. Kafue

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    53' Hatteras: The props are small and the hull is heavy and deep in comparison to more modern vessels of similar size.
    It does not "walk" as much as...let's call it a laconic "lurch".. In fact I often use the helm to nudge her in when the wind is against me on the side I want to moor. Can't say your formula is true, but take your word for it. In fact, next time I'm out I'll give it a whirl!
  3. Capt Ralph

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    Kids, It's trial by error.

    Keels in-between the wheels, Size of props, Size of rudders, Beep V, Flat bottom? Wife happy?, up/down wind/current, Mother in law on board?, yada, yada.

    Everybody's boat is going to operate differently AND different conditions will quickly change what you thought you knew.
    The NFG reading Chapman's or others looks at the pictures and tries it and it don't work,,,, Duahhh.

    Put on a pot of coffee, get way off the dock, Practice around a crab pot or make shift non moving point and practice. You will be amazed what you can do. Your rudders could be anywhere different from any book picture.

    Put on another pot of coffee and fresh pencil & pad.
    Do it again.
    Probably different results..

    The only way you will know how to walk sideways (if possible under many different conditions) is to get out there and learn how to do it on your boat.

    AND, Don't be a smart A on the next boat because it will probably work differently.
    At least you may know the basics and pick up quickly between different ships.

    I and many others here could tell you to look at the pictures for fundamental theory. It's a feel and understanding that enables the veterans to walk from boat to boat, move them and return with all digits intact.

    Practice,, practice,, practice,, ,, ,,
  4. Capt Ralph

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    Reminds me of an ole pilots phrase;

    Any landing you can walk aweigh from is a good landing.

    Any landing you can walk aweigh from and reuse the craft was a perfect landing...


    May there be perfect landings for us all.
    ,rc
  5. Norseman

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    Aye Oscar, you are a lightweight:
    I have been driving 833,000 lbs airplanes for years, then got bored with it and took up boating:)
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    You don't need docks to practice docking and learn what you can do with your boat. In fact, docks are not where I'd practice. We've docked hundreds of times at invisible docks out in an open area.
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    get way off the dock, Practice around a crab pot or make shift non moving point and practice.
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    Thank you all. Yes, I am aware of the practice part. Just wondered if with it's relatively small rudders and keel the 53 Hatt could be made to walk.... I think Kafue confirmed my suspicion.
  9. Oscarvan

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    That would be a -400?
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    You can't practice coming over a dangerous bar (inlet in the US) by going through rough seas and you cannot practice the situation that occurs when you come into/at a dock in a tide or against a wind etc.
    That's the beauty of boating and flying and diving.
    So many issues come down to real time experience and cannot be duplicated.
    Except in advanced simulators (flying).
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    Was just referring to docking. Can't practice bars but can practice learning the characteristics of the boat in wind and current from all directions. The more you learn about the boat and how it handles the more prepared you are. Obviously can learn with someone more experienced across the bar as well. And you can practice on simulators. While they don't give you the complete feeling, they do a good job of showing you what you will be looking at. Some of the maritime schools do have pretty nice and sophisticated simulators.
  13. Capt Ralph

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    Docking, inland operation, rules of da road, navigation and traffic schemes are great to learn on a simulator,
    But, there is a pucker factor that just can't be learned in a simulator.
    Sudden religious conversions and wishing you really could bent over to kiss you asp goodbye can not be experienced in a simulator.
    I have returned home with a strained sphincter a couple of times that no warning or simulator could of prepared me for.
    It takes hands on to understand how to dock, it takes hands on to keep the bow from pitch polling over.
    The best Cox Swains have my highest respect and appreciation for my coaching.
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  14. Capt Ralph

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    BTW
    I still can not push our Bert sideways on calm water with 32 inch wheels.
    Adapt and over come.
    BTW
    We don't have no stinking thrusters either.

    Lots of practice and theory.
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    Sounds like you need them...lol
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    Once a year I get out of a Boeing sim.....the pucker factor is there because we're playing "let's bet your job"..... but your point is taken. 40 knot crosswind in Seattle and no gas to go somewhere else. Yeah, the weather man lied. Oh well.
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    LOL.
    Just what I was driving at.
    Olderboater, no argument that practice is good, just the "sphincter factor" is missing!
    Cheers
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    I don't agree with all the talk about "sphincter factor" by you and Ralph. The way to reduce that factor is through training, knowledge and experience. If you're prepared for the experience when you face it, then the anxiety will be greatly reduced. I'm not dismissing practical experience, but don't underestimate practice or simulation.
  19. Kafue

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    Come on OB! Lets not get too serious over this. Do you come over a rough inlet and into a tight mooring with a martini shaken, not stirred? Hardly old chap.

    I have terrified myself many times. Just enough to wake up every sense and be at 100% alertness. Who said “anxiety!”. Serious concern, absolutely, even a healthy level of fear. It is what brings out the best in some people. Sure practice makes some difference, but it's experience that gives you the confidence to keep calm enough to work out the best way.

    It's part of the love of boating and improving skills, whether it's coming into a dangerous bar on a run out tide or relying solely on radar in dark and bad weather in a tough channel with a 10 foot tide racing into the channel.

    Niether Ralph or I are claiming that we fall apart with nerves. It's just a phrase to acknowledge that we are humble enough to admit the fact we get a big rush of adrenalin or whatever else you would like to term it. Personally, I like Ralphs description, and nothing beats a cold beer after a good landing.
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    Nothing beats a good (cheap) rum after a perfect landing.

    See #4 above.

    Cheers to us all. :)