US Customs deporting crew at FLIBS

Deport those evil and dangerous yachties but leave the southern border wide open, sue states trying to protect their citizens, let Mexican gangs shoot boaters on our lakes. Thank you mr community organizer in chief!

Seriously, If someone is coming in the country as a tourist then start looking for a job, aren't they breaking the law? What would happen to US citizens doing that in France, Australia or... Mexico?

Hi,

There is actually a limit as to how long a tourist can spend in the Schengen countries.

Extracted from GoEurope:

The maximum length of stay in Europe for non European Union passport holders is determined by the Schengen accord and is currently limited to 90 days within any 180 day period. The important thing to note is that you may not leave the Schengen Visa area for a day and return to restart the 90 day clock. In other words, you must be absent from the Schengen area for at least 90 days in a 180 day period to be legal.

Also a number of countries nationals need Schengen Visas even when working on a yacht.
http://www.greekembassy.org/embassy/content/en/Article.aspx?office=11&folder=79&article=20404

Hi,

I would say that this map showing the Schengen Countries covers the boating hotspots.

http://www.axa-schengen.com/en/schengen-countries

US Citizens and others who do not need Schengen Visas arrive in Europe mostly as tourists therefore they are covered by the 90 day rule.

Many flout this rule and few get caught.

Just because the rule is not stringently enforced everywhere all the time doesn't mean it is legal and correct to flout it.

You were asking for accurate information and facts regarding foreign crew which might include yourself while in the US, I was just providing something to point out that your all encompassing statement regarding foreigners in Europe was not what is currently in the published guidelines.

BTW. I was at FLIBS and didn't hear anything about deportations. Has anyone else here heard about this at the last FLIBS?

If a person is prohibited by law from seeking employment in whatever country, why would you want to hire them anyway? They've told you right from jump street that they are criminals. Is that really who you want on you vessel?

There were some walking around every day. If they were there on a mission or not, who knows, they had a booth so maybe they were tourists like everyone else.

The dock walking magazine site has a discussion going on and a couple of people claim to have knowledge of events.

This is the third rail of yacht crewing and it involves the activities of Heimat Sekurity so objective information is impossible to obtain.

Do they raise unicorns on your planet?

If someone breaks the law, by definition, they are a criminal. Nobody considered Bernie Madoff a criminal yet there he sits in jail now, hopefully til he rots. Whether one agrees with a law or its enforcement, nor whether one gets away with it, is not what determines if breaking it is a criminal act. If someone is willing to break the laws of a foreign nation does anyone think they'll have more concern for the rules of a boat owner if it doesn't suit them?

Just so we have this straight:

You have NEVER broken ANY law?

Or, are you just playing devil's advocate again?

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There are many laws one can break without being classed as a criminal. One must be careful of our wonderful language, it does get misused more and more, for instance, someone asked me if I remembered toput my cock back last night for the time change, go figure !!!! lol,

Well, did you?

Equating the kids who walk the docks looking for daywork to Bernie Madoff is a bit of a Talibanish stretch in my opinion. What part of their body do you think is appropriate to remove for this type of criminal activity? Removal of both feet? Both hands? Summary execution by drowning onsite?

The Sekurity bunch treat that sort of violation as an administrative issue but even then the penalties are, to these young yachties, especially severe and may even effectively end their yachting career. Unfortunately for them, they are of a generation that sees the world as a single borderless playground and honestly don't see their activities as violating any law. It comes as a shock to them when they run into people who think like you, in terms of pure black or white.

So, when do you think sharia law should be imposed on all of us who routinely violate some law or another? In a nation that is so opposed to even the most basic of health care who is going to pay for all the after amputation treatment? Do we start removing the right foot of a speeder? The left hand of people who don't signal before turning?

Put it back where is the hanging question ... did (s)he have someplace in mind?

Out of the ten's of thousands of visitors to FLIBS how did the Customs pick out those terrible foriegners looking for work, oh yes young white skinny hungry looking kids willing to work real hard stand out.

Did anybody notice how many Customs were out there checking the yachts and arresting a few for being on sale at the show and not having paid the taxes, do those owners and brokers qualify to be classed as criminals

According to NYCAP they apparently do. Seems he has never broken any law whatsoever.