Click for Furuno Click for Mulder Click for Burger Click for Delta Click for Abeking

Unpaid yard bills?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by curious, Sep 25, 2006.

You need to be registered and signed in to view this content.
  1. curious

    curious New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    6
    Location:
    southampton
    i hear that a certain yacht is arrested in germany for unpaid bills on a refit. any-one have more info and what actually happens when a vessel is arrested???
  2. techmati

    techmati Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    Messages:
    667
    Location:
    Athens, Greece
    here's a basic idea of what would happen, of course it depends on the country the yacht was arrested in and i am not a lawyer.

    - the coast guard will inform the yacht that an arrest has been placed on the yacht and will confiscate the yacht's documents.

    - yacht could sail after owner settles the claim or provides security for the value of the claim. If the yacht is insured for such a claim the insurance company would offer a letter of undertaking or if rejected they would offer a bank guarantee. after security has been provided then the yacht will sail and the two sides will fight it out in court.

    - if no security is provided the claimant could apply for judgement in default and the yacht will be auctioned/sold by the court.

    if the yacht is sold there will be a ranking of liens (creditors rights to be paid) which is defined in the law of the country the arrest was made and differs from place to place. then the proceeds from the sale of the yacht will pay those liens in the sequence of the ranking until the money is finished and everyone else further down the ranking will not be paid.

    arrest is a gamble though. in the worst case many other creditors might join in and arrest the yacht. then the mortgagee bank might also and depending on the jurisdiction and therefore the ranking of liens, the bank might have priority over your claim and there will probably not be enough money to pay everyone.
  3. C4ENG

    C4ENG Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2006
    Messages:
    581
    Location:
    Ft Lauderdale
    I have seen a 130 foot yacht in Miami that owed MTU money. MTU did all the legal stuff then hired a cop to sit on the boat and make sure it did not leave the dock. Plus they put all those bright red stickers every were for every one to see, basicaly stating the owner was a dead beat.
  4. K1W1

    K1W1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2005
    Messages:
    7,427
    Location:
    My Office

    If you can PM me the name I might e able to give you some more details.

    US Customs also like to plaster stickers al over boats so MTU are not alone
  5. MacMcL

    MacMcL Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2005
    Messages:
    54
    Location:
    Dania Beach
    In the US a vessel can be arrested prior to any judgment. Under these circumstances, the vessel is generally arrested by a US Marshall as a result of a Federal Court order. When arrested, the vessel is physically seized. It may be moved to an alternative location and/or have a replacement captain assigned to it, initially all at the expense of the party seeking to arrest the vessel. If the claimant wins, the costs are assessed against the boat. The vessel's owner can bond the vessel out and slug it out in court at a later date. Arresting a vessel does not come cheaply, but due to the "mobility" of the vessel, it is a pretty strict law. If a vessel skips on a boat yard in Florida, it can be arrested any where in the US by any US Marshall. There are also ways to extend the "arrest" on an international basis, depending upon the host country.
  6. curious

    curious New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    6
    Location:
    southampton
    unpaid bills

    interesting information.....owners behaving like this should be exposed to the industry. who would want to be working as captin/crew on a yacht where the owner did not pay his way?
  7. techmati

    techmati Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    Messages:
    667
    Location:
    Athens, Greece
    there is no information here at the moment that indicates who is in the wrong. it could be a dispute with the shipyard over quality of repair or costs.
  8. curious

    curious New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    6
    Location:
    southampton
    i refer to the method of arresting the vessel as interesting not of the particular instance, however if it comes to an arrest this is more serious than a dispute about quality/cost of work usually settled by arbitration????
  9. MacMcL

    MacMcL Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2005
    Messages:
    54
    Location:
    Dania Beach
    Captains and vessels are always free to dispute a bill or object to the quality of work. What they can not do is leave the yard without making satisfactory arrangements towards the payment of all outstanding charges. A bond, letter of credit or bank guarantee usually works. Once bonded, the vessel is free to leave and the litigiation or arbitration can come in due course.