unknown Abeking & Rasmussen Yacht

You don´t know the original name? Or type of boat? The most famous from 1935 is the 8m R-yacht Germania III built for Krupp.

EDIT, I saw in your profile the name Amsel which is a 50 sqm boat with build nr 2930.

Hi,

How can you say exactly what it's year of build is?

Does it have any materials on it that bear any manufacturers name and serial no from that era?

Is there any particular physical characteristic about it that would make it stand out against other 50 qm cruisers which could be used to identify it?

There was a 50 sqm boat named Amsel built in 1935 as I said above. She has a sistership from 1936, built for the same organisation with some information here: http://naldera.com/html/description.html

What about my answers in post #2 and #5? Is your boat not Amsel and does it not look like the other one..?

OK, do you by any chance have a picture of your boat? Is it closer to 50 feet like Germania III (picture) or how long is she?

I have now found out that Germania (III) is back in Kiel, rebuilt as shown in this picture: http://www.yachtbild.de/bild_arch/images/CY28-115.jpg

At 12.45 m she is shorter than Naldera at 12.60 m. To post a picture you should preferable have a JPG less than 640 pixels wide and follow the instructions in the "Manage Attachments" window which appears below the text field.

To me she look very much the same as Naldera. Why do you think she was named Amsel if it isn´t the original Amsel?

How do you expect to learn more about your boat without telling what you already know? There was eight boats of this series built in 1935. All seems to have been training boats for militaries and all could have been "prizes of war". In all, 34 of them were built.

BTW, did you check the links provided at the Naldera site? Some 50 sqm to read about; http://www.takel-ing.com and http://www.fky.org/yachten+segler.htm

Here is an interesting link from the above pages: http://seascamp.co.uk/history.htm

And a little movie on a sistership that is now in Poland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZT4iwEtSL8&feature=player_embedded

When the building-number is 2907, then the former name is "Seebär" (sea bear). Here is the link for the buliding-numbers of Abeking & Rasmussen:

http://www.abeking.com/uploads/media/Baunummernverzeichis.pdf

Germania III was rebuild at the middle of the nineties from Wegener Yachtwerft in Wedel near Hamburg and is lying in summer in the baltic sea and during winter in Wedel at the shipyard from Wegener. In 1998 they won the worldchampionship of the 8 mR yachts.

http://www.wegenerjachtwerft.de/_res_germani3.html
http://www.yachtbild.de/bild_arch/images/CY28-115.jpg

Seefahrtkreuzer

Hello everybody out there,
I'm restoring an 50m2, build 1937 at A&R, Build Nr. 3232 and I can say from the one picture with the blue Hull, this is a 50m2 for sure.
The form of the bow above the waterline, the stern overhang and the deckhouse make an identification easy to me.
May be the stern was cut sometime ago, but there were several lines plans from A&R, two deckhouse versions, minimun two layouts and a lot of different building methods, Lead and iron keels and so on, because of private/navy/airforce clients, lead was unfortunately used later on for different purposes.
An 8mR is much bigger, usually about 15m overall.
On the website www.takeling.de you'll find the complete List of all build Seefahrtkreuzer Boats from 30 to 150m2, Plans, Pictures and much more.
This our central website for this boatclass, actually there are about 10 boats of 50m2 in germany.
On fky dot org you will find direct links to websites of professionell Fotographers. They took Pictures last Weekend during the "German Classics", where 4 Boats of 50m2 and one 80m2 where to see.
The Sail Number is always in connection with an roman number, for examle III for 30m2, V for 50m2, VIII for 80m2 and so on.
If anyone wants further information, Pictures or Plans, write to me, my address should be visible.
In 2010 there is an class meeting beeing held during the cowes classic week and last year a book was written in english language, which can be bought here: http://www.windfallyachts.com/
Suddenly the author died in autumn, but his work is to be continued.
The pictures:
The varnished boat was restored to original condition in 2007
the white boat is mine, stored in the garden of the previous owner in brittany, france and the plans is the version with the short deckhouse, usually build for the navy or airforce.

So you are asked, to tell us and them all facts about your boat, you can ever find.

Real boats are made of wood, everything else just looks like one by coincedence.

Best Greetings,
André

Amsel or not...

Hello Spongebob,

The picture you posted and the dimensions look very much like a Abeking 50sqm Seefahrtkreuzer.
What are the odds that the previous owner chose the original name when he had to pick one, maybe he still knew it? A&R boats used to have a bronce plate around the rudder shaft telling the year, build number and yard. Maybe the plate was still in place when it was sold.
For those who don't have a german background: Amsel is german for black bird. Most of the yachts built for the German Air Force had bird names. In 1935 five 50sqm where built for the Luftwaffe, one of them being Amsel.
In the Register ( http://www.takel-ing.de/pageID_4742970.html ) the whereabouts of Amsel are not known (yet) so I'd say there is a good chance that your boat is the original Amsel.

Here is the information about Amsel that I have:

Sail number V 34, built in 1935 by Abeking & Rasmussen in Lemwerder, Bremen. Build Nr. 2930, original scantlings: Loa: 12,45m, Beam: 2,61, Draft: 1,67m. Built without engine, Honduras Mahagony planks on steambent oak frames, first owner: Luftkreiskommando VI in Kiel, stationed at Bug on the island of Rügen. Built to the lines, accomodation and sailplan of build Nr. 2907.

I attached 2 pictures of Amsel in lightwind racing... or say I'll try.

Hope this helps,
Best Regards, Jan

Hi,

With permission of the previous posters I would like to show all the oprevious picturws etc to an old guy who worked at Abeking all his working life, I am told he is the guru of all old boats they did. I can only approach him through someone I know who has contact so please be patient.