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Solar & Wind Assisted Vessels (including cargo vessels)

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by brian eiland, Sep 8, 2011.

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  1. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    I've posted on a somewhat similar subject before, but this recent press release for solar/sail assisted cargo vessels desired a new subject thread.

    Back to the future for a new world of sailing ships? Solar Sailor, an Australian company specialising in renewable energy technologies, is negotiating to install its solar and wind power systems on a massive dry cargo ship that could be used to haul iron ore from Australia to China.

    Solar Sail Tanker.jpg
    'Solar sails on tanker - the concept'


    The equipment is likely to be similar - but on a more massive scale - to the zero-emission systems the company has installed on four dual-fuel passenger ferries operated by the Hong Kong Jockey Club.

    Solar Sail Ferry.jpg

    'Solar Albatross' (pictured) is a 24 meter 100 passenger carrying catamaran ferry with its stow-able SolarSails.

    The boat service is between the Hong Kong Jockey Club's Kai Sai Chau Golf Club, ferrying golf club patrons to and from their three island based 18 hole courses off Hong Kong Island.

    ...more HERE
    http://www.sail-world.com/cruising/index.cfm?nid=88054&rid=11
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    Brian, If I remember correctly a Dutch company came up with a wind 'assisted' cargo ship many years ago, maybe the 80's and it was supposed to save the world, unfortunately it was never developed as size was a major issue. The bigger the ship the bigger the savings but you could not get a sail powered or assisted ship to match or beat the economics of size.

    It seems the wind assisted ships can save maybe 8 to 12% on fuel costs however it also seems that once the engine manufacturers see something like this they suddenly produce a more effiecent engine.

    by the way sorry about the other thread it was closed after my friend was telling the world how "very very good" he was.

    I have actually spent alot of time sailing including one single handed delivery from northern europe to the med (interesting). I have also spent a very un-pleasant 2 minutes which felt like 2 hours under a capsized catamaran in very cold waters and I have raced in the Bermuda race and up at Friday Harbor besides sailing the world in the big steel things that float. ;)
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    You are correct about that Dutch development (oops, excuse me I think the fellow was German, not Dutch)

    http://www.symaltesefalcon.com/design-concepts.php


    Per that other thread, I was just about to post a photo of that cruise ship to emphasize the windage she has. Also I was going to say what many people do NOT understand about the Chesapeake Bay is that it is an EXTREMELY shallow body of water....something like 85% of its total area is less than 6' of draft. Yes it has some relatively deep water channels in it, but not that many deep water anchorages. So trying to keep within those boundries with a big ship, with big windage, in high winds would be relatively challenging.
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    Brian,

    I was rather surprised at how shallow the Bay is. There appear to be several channels for the larger ships marked on the charts. For those interested, I found this on-line chart viewer of the Atlantic Coast. You can move around on the selected chart as well as zoom in on your selected area. The site is a bit slow and it does caution the user to use full-scale NOAA nautical charts for navigation. You can use the site as a planning guide.

    http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/AtlanticCoastViewerTable.shtml
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    It been a long time since I sited that draft figure, so I might be a little off,....but it is a lot more shallow than many realize.

    Back in 1986 when I was first trying to market this Fountain/Pajot catamaran, Louisiane, I used this handout at the Annapolis Show to try and get people's attention as to the usefullness of the shallow draft multihulls on the Chesapeake Bay. I just happened to find a copy of this old flyer in my pile :eek: of papers today. (note I quoted 70% extremely shallow)

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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Off the Topic

    Sorry for getting off of the primary topic I brought up in this subject thread,... it just jogged some old memory cells, and had me scimming thru some old papers (pre computer days)

    This 19" draft vessel is the one I took down the backside (inside passage) of the outer banks of NC, all the way to Moorehead City...interesting trip for such a large vessel.
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    In contrary to the article the Albatross is not in use as pictured. They use this ferry but with solar panels installed flat on top of the roof. I have seen this boat many times but never withouth using their diesels.
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    Is it possible they were now left 'stowed flat on the roof' per the article?

    "The SolarSails stow flat on the roof of the boat when not in use, although they continue to collect solar energy from the sun and store it in batteries in the two hulls of the catamaran.

    The sails are engineered and approved by DNV for 44 knots of apparent wind with a 100% safety factor. The sails can be feathered or lowered into a headwind. In early trials when 'sailing' in a 15 knot true wind at 45 degrees off the bow give a 1.8 knot increase in boat speed from 14.2 to 16 knots with no increase in engine rpm"


    When you think about it the solar cells of the SolarSails have to be at real low-productive angle of incidence when in the sailing position. :confused:
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    I don't think so.
    I've seen them exactly as in this youtube clip:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyZuiWHfM44

    Solar panels recessed in the roof but no 'sails' standing up.
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    All there is on the Hong Kong Jockey Club web site is the news that 4 solar powered feeries are being introduced and nothing about wind powered.

    That photo you found looked very realistic to me so I have asked my client in Hong Kong to find out for sure.
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    Brian,

    My client checked into the ferries in Hong Kong as he has ridden on them to get to the golf courses and those ones have numerous solar panles but no sails with solar panels on them.

    He did send a link to a Forbes Magazine article where the designer, an ex Aussie doctor, explains about the solar sail solar idea he had.
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    Just received a photo of one of these HK ferries that appears to have the solar sails on it the folded configuration

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    That certainly looks like the boats you first mentioned. From the articles I read they built 4 such ferries and I wonder if some come with just the solar panels and others with the solar sails.

    My American client who has lived out there for 17 years told me that he plays golf and has been on those ferries alot.

    Looking at the weather in those two photos I hope they have alot of batteries as it certainly looked pretty miserable.
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    I believe they are in their monsoon season right now, or likely when that photo was taken
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    It's my understanding the HK Ferries also have diesel engines. This is based on the article Brian referred to. The ferries seem to have three sources of power: sail, solar and diesel. All in all, a pretty interesting design.
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