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Sessa C42 -> what Boat after the Sessa?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by C42, Apr 16, 2017.

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  1. C42

    C42 New Member

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    Hello,

    I'm a 20 year old boat enthusiast from Germany.

    We (my parents) currently own a Sessa C42 from 2006.
    We're thinking of buying something bigger and/or newer.

    Now, it may seem a bit odd compared to the amount of money some of you guys spend on their Yachts, but our budget is limited to around 200t€.

    What would you take into consideration?

    Newer Sessa models are quite expensive compared to other boats in this class.

    Good value for money seem to be the Cranchi Mediterranee 43 (IPS)/47/50 models.

    What do you think about Sessa? We are currently quite happy with the C42. Does anyone have experience with Sessa?
    Why are the Models from 2009 on more expensive - is it just the modern design?

    A boat we like a lot - great design imho - is the Atlantis 47. Prices are quite good for a boat from 2007/8/9
    What do you think of them?
    Did the Azimut kind of hull failures also occur to the Atlantis Boats built in the former Gobbi-Plant?

    What models/Builders would you suggest?

    Thank you!!
    (and sorry for my possibly not perfect English)
    Tim
  2. Liam

    Liam Senior Member

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    No! But check for osmosis is boat was never epoxy primed, and left a couple years in the water without a proper dry out.
    I would go for an Uniesse 48 or a Rizzardi 50 Topline of an older vintage if you really want quality over the rest.
    If you want more modern style but not an Atlantis, you can look at Princess V50, Sunseeker 46 Portofino, and or a Cranchi 47 Med.
  3. C42

    C42 New Member

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    Thanks for your reply!

    Of the boats you have mentioned three are still in the race:

    Atlantis 47 (ht)
    Cranchi mediterraneé 47 (ht)
    Sunseeker Portofino 46

    I personally love the design and style of the Atlantis. I would probably go for this boat. Only thing is, I'm still worried about the balsa wood core that is used. You just don't want it to soak in water and rot on the inside...

    Did they use the core material only on the sides and deck or under the water line as well?

    I may think a bit too much, but I can't help it...those thoughts are just there..

    I know osmosis could show on every boat, but I have never heard of a Cranchi or Sunseeker having problems will hull delamination or osmosis.

    The boat will stay in the water (freshwater, Lake Garda in northern Italy) all year round and we want to make sure we buy a boat we can use for years without major (especially structural) damages.

    Do you guys know, how the portofino 46 and the Cranchi 47 are build? Did they also use Balsa wood core material? Do they even have a core or are those boats built without sandwich-lamination (don't know if that's the right word for it).

    Thank you!

    Tim
  4. Liam

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    Atlantis do have a solid bottom as do Sunseeker and or Cranchi. At least the models I have seen.

    Out of the three Cranchi has the best hull I know of which is blister (osmosis) free. I have seen Cranchi three years in the water with no problem of osmosis, and very rarely see one with this problem.
    Atlantis use PVC core (Diab) on sides and super structure, while Cranchi and Sunseeker of that age use balsa. Today Cranchi and Sunseeker are also using Diab PvC core.

    If you want to leave boat all year round in the water I would suggest a complete dry out and a full epoxy protection after purchase to hull so like this you are guaranteed peace of mind.
    All the boat you mention are nowadays ten years plus old with its original resin starting to weaken it water resistance % so whatever make I would always go with proper protection.
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    C42 New Member

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    We have checked the prices in our marina and it looks like a boat above 13,99m will cost 12t€ per year...that's 3000€ more than with the Sessa right now.

    So the Cranchi 47 is roughly 50cm too big.
    The length of the Atlantis 47 seems to be between 13.96m and 14,50m (not sure what's right) , so you could probably convince them (Marina staff) it's smaller than 14m, but not sure if that's gonna work.

    So right now it's still Atlantis 47 ht and the smaller Cranchi Med 43 ht with IPS 600 and Joystick "in the race".

    What do you guys think about Bavaria?
    We've had a Bavaria a few years ago, but the newer Models look a lot better than the old ones.
    The 39 ht would still fit in the price brackets, and those boats are considerably newer (2012-2015) than the Atlantis or Cranchi models, but have conventional Z-drives...

    It's a big step back as we were already looking for Cranchi Med 47s that would fit our needs...

    Thanks a lot!
    Tim
  6. Liam

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    Going to a Bavaria is a step back from the Sessa in my opinion.
    Also if you want to keep a boat a lot in the water stern drive are not so good.
    It is true Bavaria has improved over the years but its still a boat in the lower price bracket, and for that there is always a reason.

    I would go for an Atlantis 47 HT, good boat and most of these are fitted with the Volvo D9 575hp which give adequate power to the 47.
    A Cranchi 43 Med HT is a good alternative, to say it all this has more usable space then the 47, and the accommodation layout both outside and inside are much better.