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Safety ISM ISPS

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by mvm, Jan 8, 2011.

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  1. mvm

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    I would like to raise this issue and view my concerns. I am a retired Naval officer with a vast experience in implementing safety on board vessels and ashore. Now involved with the yachting industry i find a great gap in standards and expectations in general. It is down to the Captain,management and crew to achieve a safety standard on board . The biggest issue , i found, is "how to say NO without saying NO" to the owner when an activity doesn't co inside with ISM or ISPS systems and policy implemented. How do you gently brush off his 12 year old son wanting to take the jet ski on his own .... or the owner saying a buoyancy aid is not required.

    How do we build a safety culture on board allowing us to work in a safe and healthy environment without having to jeopardize our position on board,our lively-hood.

    Only when we witness an accident or we become responsible for one do we remember to raise this issue.

    Only when we have to face a father/mother/ wife and child, of a crew member, and notify them that their child/partner/parent was seriously injured or worse due to our unprofessional conduct , do we turn our thoughts and ask the questions we should have answered long ago.

    I would aappreciate your thoughts on this subject. I do believe that the first step taken into this domain is the most important one.
  2. AMG

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    Are you talking from your own experience or are you guessing? I can see a problem, but I have not met many captains that can not handle this.
  3. NYCAP123

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    As captain your job is not to maintain your position, beyond using tact and persuation. Your job is the safety of your vessel and passengers. You are in charge or you leave. Remember, "it's all good" until the s--- hits the fan. Then it will be "He's the professional. We depended on his judgement".
  4. mvm

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    As I referred in the beginning of my thread , in comparing to the Navy the private and commercial Mega yachting circuit is very different. I can only disagree with your comment and state from my direct experience the conflict exists on a daily base and not easily handled.
    From your experience if you had a command please advise me on the issue of work verse rest hours as per ILO under you. (Basic issue of safety and ISM)
    Did you comply and report according to legislation or did you have to compromise when owner and guests needed 24 hour attention????
    I think statements are best left for politicians...
  5. mvm

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    Yes from experience commanding Navy and Civilian vessels . Also as an ISM Auditor.
    Handle this. Do you mean saying "NO" this is unsafe and in direct violation of Class and administration , SOLAS or which ever reference you choose???
  6. AMG

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    I would never give a reference, I would say yes or no depending of how I want to handle the situation. Perhaps I am not able to do what another captain would do. Or I can do certain things because I am more experienced than other captains in a certain field.

    If an owner is about to do or order me to do something that I don´t think is a good idea, I will tell my position, regardless of existing rules.
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    99% of problem owner situations can be handled with tact and persuasion, but the captain can not permit a dangerous situation to exist. With the type of work I do I've run for untold numbers of owners. Several I resolved never to work for again, and I don't miss the work. Twice I've had to end trips although one of those I was able to continue after a nose to nose with the owner. Keeping one's job should not be a consideration when it comes to safety.
    There's a restriction on hours?:rolleyes: :cool:
  8. AMG

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    Yes, never work more than 24 hours a day! (It is only lawyers that can charge more than 24 hours a day...)
  9. mvm

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    Commercial Yachts under ISM and Flag regulations following International Labour Organization requirements.
    I agree with your statement "keeping ones job..." and that is exactly the issue i am raising .
  10. mvm

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    Your position , as a professional Captain , should be governed by the laws and regulations. That's why legislation exists.
    Your experience,professionalism and certificates we have earned in sweat and blood should allow you to bring forth the argument in question to a safe conclusion.
  11. AMG

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    Yes, thank you very much. No more issues then.
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    Captains

    Question was asked and answered in real short order.
  13. CaptPKilbride

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    That was easy :)