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S.S. United States to return to active commercial service

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  1. Blue Ghost

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    I grew up reading about the S.S. United States in various books on ships, and had seen a bit of news reel footage of her, and otherwise was educated on her function and form.

    She has been rusting out her years. Her conservatory has entered into a partnership with Crystal Cruises to evaluate the viability of rennovating and upgrading her to an active commercial vessel.

    SS United States conservatory; http://www.ssusc.org/

    Here is the YouTube video conference and press release from two weeks ago;
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    I saw a recent video of the ship, as she sits in Philadelphia that also mentioned the retrofit. After the video, I can't imagine where to begin.
    That poor thing is gutted completely and in miserable shape.
    A really huge task ahead.
    I hope they can follow through.
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    You know, I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping she wouldn't head to the scrap yard. We may have seen the same video; Abandoned Steve, a guy who explores abandoned places, and got special permission to explore the SS United States.

    To be honest I thought she had been scrapped years ago. I'm glad she wasn't, and I hope she sees new life as Crystal Cruise's flagship. The CEO of the conservatorship says that her hull is 97% intact and strong, but my god she looks like she's going to need some massive work. Crystal Cruises is a high end line, so you know that if they go through with their plans that she'll be a star attraction on the water.

    It would be really something to see her sail under her own power again.
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    This would be fantastic but don't hold your breath or don't contact your travel agent just yet.

    The parent company of Crystal is the Genting group, the entity behind the destruction of Bimini and the bimini super fast ferry fiasco, which went out of business just a year after they built a massive 1000' pier on a pristine beach and reef.

    Along the way, they tried running illegal gambling cruises to nowhere using foreign flag vessel and crew, claiming to a federal judge that this was the only way their operation coudl survive...
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    I agree; the chances of this actually happening are slim to none - for a variety of reasons: logistical, engineering, financial, and commercial.
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    Yes that's the one. I do suppose that if you were going to re-build her, you'd have to gut out the old, rotten, moldy stuff left behind, so, maybe it;s not as bad as it looks.
    Even still, looking at the video and photographs, it's overwhelming
  7. Blue Ghost

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    Oh man. Suddenly I'd rather see the old girl rust away in Phili than get refurbished by Crystal.

    Can't anything just be easy and actually be the way it appears on face value? :(
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    They already ripped out the interior years ago in Turkey. All the nasty stuff like asbestos is long gone. There was a big controversy over it, we send our ship overseas and leave all the toxic waste behind.

    I cringe everytime I fly into philly and see her just wasting away. The old girl deserves a better fate than that, hopefully this time they can pull off a miracle and restore her to her former glory.

    She might look terrible with all that flaking off paint but as long as she still has good bones she'll make it through a refit.
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    Even if crystal goes ahead, the topsides will be drastically altered to create more staterooms and balconies. Looks even worst in the drawings that what NCL did to the France.

    Today I was surprised to see the Bimini superfast is still tied up at port of Miami over a month after genting cancelled service. I would have thought it would be sold or used somewhere else
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    I could never wrap my head around the concept of the Bimini super fast. It's a 50 mile trip, what's the hurry? Not like there's anything on Bimini anyway other than some bars, casino, and hotels.

    In California we had a few fast cats that would run to Catalina island, 35-45 miles but it was for day trippers. Run over at high speed and then leave at high speed several hours later after everyone was able to "see the sights".

    This reminds me, I need to look up the plans for the 2 different "titanic 2" ventures that were trying to get rolling a few years back.
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    Well, one of my first thoughts about the SS US was that she's a little outclassed by the massive liners afloat today, so she would have to capitalize on her lines and more advanced drives to keep her speed record intact, and cater to a very high end clientele to pay the bills. I'll bet she's going to have lots of high end suites in her new configuration if Crystal goes ahead with her.

    If she's revamped as is, and keeps her original cabin layout, then it's my opinion she'll never be able to pay for herself with all of the competition that's out there.
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    hard to compete with the floating cities like "allure of the seas" and the rest of those monstrosities for just plain cruising. Guess it depends on what their plans entail for her intended role.

    Worst case, it would be great if she wound up a museum attraction like Queen Mary. Beats rusting away or being cut up by a torch for sure.
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    It depends, it seems like American River Cruises for example has several djfferent area's of the country they cruise in, and very different stops than the large cruise ships take, they charged a premium such as $4200-5200 per week, and seem to be doing well. It intrigued me as I blew past one bringing a boat down the ICW and looked it up and they have neat itineraries, till I got to the price.....Every stateroom had a balcony, etc. etc.
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    Not wanting to be packed into another super sardine can, toes getting steeped on in every chow line, ammonia in all the pools, a floating sub-sea of open mouths competing with the screamers (brats) and other big crowd problems. If I wanted more of this abuse, I'd go back to Disney or other packed people abusing parks.

    For the traveler not in a hurry, I can see some business like the ICW cruisers or coastal tours. Luxury, slow, Period furnished cabins, proper high end meals, relaxing atmosphere and no hurries. AND, relaxing on a historic ship as the SS US that does not need to defend her speed runs from long ago. Even I would consider a ride.
    Yes, I think there is a niche. Money maker; not for a very long time.
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    Period accommodations, if done right, would be a big attractor.

    And it's again almost official; she'll be fitted with 400 luxury suites if rennovated;

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    There is no as is or original layout as she is an empty shell. Everything inside was gutted years ago incl staterooms, walls, etc
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    Well, her deck plans have to be around somewhere. Not that any revamp will stick with them, but just as a comparison to what she was verse what she will be or could be, it doesn't seem likely anyone would want to stay in those original cabins.

    Just my opinion.
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    All the interior hardware was sold off. That may have be a short coming. All that period hardware is going to be hard to replace (replicate?).
    Remember, the original interior was fire proof yet still elegant.
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    According to the CBS News piece, much of it was bought for possible restoration, or at the very least so that it wouldn't be lost forever.
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    Here's a site that has what seems to be original deck plans, along with ideas for converting the SSUS to a floating museum (same site has a similar plans and ideas for the Queen Mary).

    www.sterling.rmplc.co.uk/ssus/

    Refurbishment of the SSUS would likely have to include the same changes as were made to the France: take out 2 of the 4 shafts/turbines/boilers to reduce operating costs (but also reduce top speed), add as many "modern" amenities as possible including adding a few decks of suites (but spoiling her profile), get rid of the strict separation of the classes.