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  1. Bamboo, Nov 11, 2009
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    Tell us what you think rule 9(b) means to you as an operator.
  2. Pascal, Nov 12, 2009
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    it's a little grey... I have never found a clear definition of a narrow channel which means that no one should forget that they still must avoid a collision, as per 7a.

    if I'm running in a channel less than 2 to 3 times my beam, you bet i will sound the 5 blasts if someone gets in the way while fishing or sailing, but will still be ready to stop if I have to.

    when sailing (Hobie 16) I make sure i stay clear of any vessel running in a narrow channel
  3. CaptNeil, Nov 12, 2009
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    I agree with Pascal always err on the side of prudence. I can always stop to avoid a collision. There is no reason to put yourself in distress because someone is hogging a channel. I always travel with the thought that the other captain has no idea what they are doing. I am not going to put my vessel at risk to get by or go around some bonehead that obviously does not know where they are or what they are doing.
  4. Loren Schweizer, Nov 12, 2009
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    So, common sense trumps 9(b)?
  5. Pascal, Nov 12, 2009
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    Common Sense should trump most rules.... in a perfect world :)
  6. Garry Hartshorn, Nov 12, 2009
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    Rule 2 should clear up your question

    Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case.
  7. Bamboo, Nov 12, 2009
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    It's not really that I have a "question" but was wondering what others thought it meant to them.

    I had a tiny sailboat several years back on the ICW near Canaveral that saw me round the bend (he was perhaps 500 yards outside the markers sailing for "fun") and he tacked and timed it with several other tacks to make sure we were on a collision course. I hailed him on both 16 and 13 with no response. There was a small community just nearby and he obviously came from/lived at that place. I sounded five blasts and slowed down to a near stop- then he hails me and says he has the right of way- on 16. I ask him to go to 13, which he say no, he has the right of way and that was that. I sound five blasts again but am now running at minimum steerage speed. He gets very angry and gives me a verbal lashing on 16 and I calmly quote 9(b) to him and again request to move to 13. His tirade continues and after I pass he calls me on 13- but I pass in front. At no time did I feel either vessel was in danger. About 10 minutes later I pass P to P with a pusher barge and he asks me if I was the one talking with the sailboat. He said the guy does this quite often and he had a good laugh because of my responses.
  8. Kevin, Nov 12, 2009
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    Key word... "should".

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  9. Garry Hartshorn, Nov 12, 2009
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    Yes I think most of us have at times come across these "Wayne Kers" :mad:
  10. NYCAP123, Nov 12, 2009
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    Bamboo, you cruise the western LI Sound right? You know they think they're Dennis Connor vying for advantage at the start of the America's Cup. I see them 2 or 3 miles off make that subtle turn that will bring them across my bow. Because I pick up on this and have power the result is seldom what they expect. :D My personal favorite was a regatta over by Stamford that insisted a tug and barge alter his course to accomodate their errant boats. That captain is probably still laughing. But, don't we all know that "sailboats have right of way". What else is there besides "the wind is free" that anyone needs to know. ;)
  11. Bamboo, Nov 12, 2009
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    It is all about common sense, but some folks on the water, (as in life), make some wacky moves. It's usually not hard to see them coming and to tell or show them they have to get up a bit earlier in the morning to fool me. At any rate it's all good- it takes all kinds to power the planet.