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Radar Assisted Collision

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Marmot, Oct 13, 2010.

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  1. Marmot

    Marmot Senior Member

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  2. K1W1

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    Hi,

    It has not been a good week for ships in the Nthn Latitudes this week.

    Starting with this one: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/10/08/728282/chemical-tanker-in-trouble-off.html

    Then the Ferry on fire in the Baltic

    Now another collision between two ships in the Southern North Sea/Channel Approaches Area.

    It will certainly be interesting to see what the Accident Investigation Types make of all this, bar there having been any catastrophic mechanical failures onboard these vessels (certainly the 4 that have hit each other) I would guess that the human factor will figure strongly under the microscope.

    I would also be curious to note if any of them were using a BNWAS.
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    I appears that the Minoro maintained course, but DK about speed. Assuming they did, the Jork Ranger miscalculated. However, a turn to stbd on the part on Minoro would have avoided the collision so both are at fault.
  4. Pretty curious, I quoted the main text here from Daily UK News with pictures, very nice btw. Well, it seems the JORK, (english misspelled YORK) was the fighter. The Yang Ming Uranus seems in worse conditions any way.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ntainer-ship-North-Sea.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    The welded Truck-Ferry of DFDS Seaways seemed tuged safetly to Denmark near Bagenkop off where tugs Asterix & Gunnar Seidenfaden are located. I don't know why they didn't brought to HDW Kiel any way to be scrapped...

    About the Hanjin Bulker HANJIN RIZHAO from Brazil with Ore, here a wonderful picture of Hull damages:
    http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?mmsi=371128000
  5. AMG

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    It was dark, but with ARPA radars, AIS, VHF and I guess in a Traffic Control area, this should not be possible...
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    I guess if one out of the three people who could have prevented it was watching then maybe it might not have happened.
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    Are they relying too much on all sorts of alarms instead of common sense?
    Thank god it's kerosene and not heavy fuel.

    Props for the Arca (oil spill response vessel) which was there in no time!


    Bruno (from Scheveningen)


    PS - can you really expect not to get hit if you name your vessel Uranus?
  8. 84far

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    Hi,

    Did YM Uranus get hit from behind.... Sorry :rolleyes:

    Far
  9. 1. The DFDS Seaways mv LISCO GLORIA (Lithuania) 200x26 m 6802t IMO 9212151 MMSI 277279000 RoRo Truck Ferry coming to Kiel from Klaipeda is at moment out of traffic routes, near Denmark, where small Tanker VILM (Germany Flag) is together for rest fuel pumping out, when still Tugs ASTERIX (Denmark), GUNNAR SEIDENFADEN (Denmark), FAIRPLAY 26 (Germany) in kind of triangle formation hold the welded truck-ship. FEHMERNBAELT A Pilot meets. Operation is taking 3.5 KM from Coast and 5 Km near the closest small Port Bagenkop. This is what I can take my conclusions of own observations, not knowing what happens after.

    2. The mv YM URANUS (Malta) IMO 9452763 MMSI 249462000 coming previous from Ceuta is last known near Brittania. The Bulker mv HANJIN RINZHAO (Panamá) 292 x 45 m IMO 9490882 MMSI 371128000 is much bigger than this tanker and probably in foggy those night darker days, she didn't see the smaller in her front portside. The Bulker is moored in Ertzkade, Rotterdam Port totally safe, needs only repairs at bow low area.

    3. The mv MINDORO (Greece) 244 x 42 m IMO 9389095 MMSI 240924000 tanker hitted exactly in her white name on black hull at bow (Goal Point) from mv JORK RANGER (Cyprus) 141 x 22 m 9322t MMSI 209696000 FeederShip are both in Rotterdam waters, this moored near A4 road, where some dry docks are nearby. The tanker is assisted by tug MULTRATUG17 (Netherlands), under way at 5 Knots at her own, 17 Km from coast. Probably they will bring her to also the same port, where container feedership is already moored. It is clear that Feeders goes faster in closer positions to carry and delivery containers, normally in higher speeds than the slower tankers this size. For me I probably say the fault was from Feeder 60% to 40% of Tanker seeing how was the hit, in which the Feeder with smaller size and higher manouvrability could avoid faster than the much slower bigger tanker carried, imo.

    I believe the Tankers were not the fault cases at this time. Three damaged ships in rotterdam means good for Shipyards Repairs there at moment, much work to be done... ;)
  10. Seafarer

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    Thank goodness you didn't note that YM Uranus is undergoing an examination at Brest. :rolleyes:
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  12. ^yeah, YM SATURN is aslo anchored in Rotterdam mounth, waiting coordinates to also go planet down, so, good to see a replay with a sister ship, doing the same again, in order we see in slow motion stroboscopic cam filming all frames, going down the English Channel, if it was at fore or portside rear hit, in order to check in microscope way who has right... :D :p
  13. 84far

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    Hahahaha! K1W1, great call. :D

    Seafarer, I did miss it. I tell you what, I would hate to be the poor employee telling the boss on what the situation was in relation to how, what, where etc... That would be one strange conversation. :D

    Far