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  1. elsupremo

    elsupremo Senior Member

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    Hi guys,
    I recently purchased a 58' Fairline Squadron. It has a Besenzoni passarelle on the back that I would like to use as a davit for a RIB. On the underside of it, it has a couple hooks that look like I could just hook the cables from the RIB. However, one of the surveyors suggested I have a winch mounted under it to use as a davit. My question is how is this usually done? Is a winch usually mounted under the passarelle to function in this way? Or do most people just strap hooks to it and lower it using the passarelle's movement? (I did google search prior to posting, this seems to be a difficult thing to get information on!)
  2. K1W1

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    Hi,

    Why don't you contact the Besenzoni Dealers and ask their advice or see if it was available as an option for your boat when it was new.
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    You could do worse than contact Fairline and quoting the boat identification number, ask them whether the passerelle was fitted as part of the owners specification...if so what exact passerelle was specified etc. Besenzoni would then be able to tell you (if Fairline cant) what that actual passerelle is capable of lifting etc.
    It may have been retro-fitted however, in which case contacting Besenzoni direct is your only hope. Besenzoni sell 'off the shelf' units that can be identified from their brochure on line, but they also sell bespoke units to suit individual requirements...uprated internals within stock dimensions etc. A bit of a minefield.
    If it has hooks, it is most likely designed to lower and raise a (light) tender using its hydraulics...how do you know what weight it can lift, and wether the boats structure was designed to lift it ? Contacting Fairline and Besenzoni is a sensible precaution.
    Personally, I wouldn't fit a winch to a passerelle that hasn't been designed to take one from the outset unless you can find someone who will warrant the kludge with safety margins and guarantees you can sleep well with. Unlikely IMO.
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    Contacting the Mfg. is absolutely the thing to do, but I used to run a 47 Sealion with on that was used to hoist a small jet tender. It should have a label affixed giving it's max weight for lifting. Failing that go direct to the Mfg for it's capacity and then to Fairline to confirm it's mounting structure can handle that weight.
  5. elsupremo

    elsupremo Senior Member

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    Thanks guys...but I may not have been clear. I was not asking about the max weight or capacity. I was just trying to figure out: when someone says a passerelle can double as a davit, does that mean it must have a winch attached to it to do it, or can it simply be attached to the tender to lift it? NYCAP, was there a winch under the passerelle on the Sealine?

    This passerelle was attached at Fairline.
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    I suggest you re read the previous posts and ask the appropriate questions then you might get answers that don't need double translation,
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    It acted as a davit. HOWEVER, that was one particular unit. You need to go to the horses mouth.
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    elsupremo Senior Member

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    Thank you NYCAP, particularly for answering in a way which did not feel dismissive or belittling to me. From your post, I gather that they can work in more than one way as a davit (I had no idea about this), and that I need to find out the answer for my particular unit. The truth is that my boat is currently in shipping to me and I have not been able to inspect the passerelle for a capacity plate and/or instructions on operation. In my anticipation for its arrival, I was just getting a bit of ahead of myself to satisfy some curiosity as to the tender facilities. I have never owned a boat with a passerelle before.

    Please keep in mind that some of you, particularly those for whom boating is a profession, have a vast amount more knowledge at hand than those for whom boating is a hobby. And they say patience is a virtue...

    I actually did check Besenzoni's website prior to ever posting here. I did not see a list of dealers available on the website. I did look at the "gangways" on their site and it looks like mine is the 375 Teorema in the external non-rotating hydraulic gangways section. At this point, I'll sit tight until it is here and then go from there.

    Thanks again.
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    Bought a Harley the other day. Been more years than I care to count since I last owned a bike. The day I put the deposit down I took pictures...a lot of pictures. 5 minutes after I was home I had a slide show set up on my computer and watched it several times a day until delivery; studying every detail.
    We're all new at something. If not life would be very boring.
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    Hi,

    I am at a loss to see where either my or CODOG's posts could be construed as belittling or dismissive. We all NYCAP included suggested that you refer to the manufacturer of the unit to see what can be done.

    If it is as you suggest a non rotating one then it's use as a worthwhile davit is pretty limited right off the get go.

    I would also sugest that if friendly advice makes you feel inferior that you can easily hide behind the www and find out what you want.

    Try this for a list of sales, service and install agents right there in your state.

    http://www.imtra.com/index.cfm?fa=print&a=pages&pageId=82
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    You actually edited your post to include that, huh? Your second post was not helpful or friendly, and this last post is the same. Worst of all is your suggestion that people with questions not come to Yachtforums.com, in order to avoid your wrath. Please do not include CODOG's detailed and helpful post with yours. I felt both he and NYCAP intended to help me as is not the case with you. You did not even include your "helpful" link to imtra in your first version of this last post...you threw it in along with your little jab.

    Of course, I went to IMTRA before starting this thread. It's the #1 result if you google "besenzoni usa". However, if you go to any of the links they come up with in CA, instead of just copying and pasting the first google link, none of those websites say they do anything with besenzoni and none of them contain anything about passerelles. Who knew it would be such a crime for me to take 5 seconds of my time and post a quick question in a forum filled with extremely knowledgeable people in the industry?

    You've given me several suggestions in this thread and now I'll share one with you constructed upon your contributions in this thread and others that I've read recently. I suggest you try to separate your expansive swath of yachting knowledge from your substantially larger ego and make an attempt at sharing that knowledge without bludgeoning them in the cyber sense. Otherwise, it's all for naught and you simply detract from the value of this forum.
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    Hi,

    Got tooth ache have ya?

    I am not sugesting you shouldn't ask questions on Yacht Forums.

    What I am suggesting is if you actually did a bit if research into your query yourself you might be surprised just how easy it is to answer the question.

    If you are upset and offended by a bit of honesty then all I can say is too bad bud, get a life.
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    elsupremo Senior Member

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    I ask "how does a passerelle lift a tender" and K1W1's last words are "get a life". How fortunate am I to have this resource at my disposal?

    Thank you again to NYCAP and CODOG...after I get the boat here and have the opportunity to look at it, I'll dig into this further. Too bad this thread couldn't have been closed after NYCAP's last post.
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    Done exactly the same with a Beretta 12 bore recently....screensaver of pictures and all. The eight weeks it took to arrive was an eternity. 50 years old yet like a kid on Christmas eve....I can't imagine how that expectation is magnified with something like a yacht.
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    'The difference between men and boys is simply the price of our toys.' I'm honest though and told my wife way back when that I will never grow up.;) It's not my fault if she didn't believe me. :D I also told her that if I live to 70 I'm entitled to any woman I can catch who will have me.:) But we're heading off topic here.
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