Off Topic: Yachts In Gibralter Continued

MKM, may I suggest that you stop posting AIS-information (that is history tomorrow). Daniel is using this thread to show us pictures of yachts he is seeing in Gibraltar.

To my untrained eye, it seems that.....

MKM's turn to receive polite criticizm has been coming up way too often. You and MKM are both speaking english, yet your interpretations of the written word could not be further apart. Repetitive negative reinforcement is starting to wear the man down, y'all! He's still feeling his way along here (as am I), and having his toes repeatedly stepped on is not helpful. He thinks he's actively contributing to the collective knowledge and insights typically appreciated by members of this forum; maybe it's time to cut the dude some slack.....? Whaddaya t'ink?

Just sayin'..............

Agreed!

Hey, this guy has got more slack than any other. We have been moving around posts on both our and his demand, editing links and pictures, correcting spellings and tried to give him advise on where to post what. Still he is posting demands of more help in creating new forums to suit his ideas.

This is not an institution with fulltime employees waiting to be at your service, we should all try to get a readable and interesting meeting place. This is not possible when people do not follow normal forum etiquette or want 24 hour room service from a couple of moderators.

Remember that most of the things we moderate, you are not seeing at all. Should we leave it, this forum would be a complete mess in no time.

Positive, definitely, and your last observation reinforces my point, to wit: "......and new ideas are never welcome here." I am shocked and appalled that an educated European man should be given such an impression. America is a country founded on "new ideas," and for any intelligent foreigner (as MKM clearly is) to come away from this (or any other open) forum with such an impression is nothing short of scandalous! I cheerfully concede that I"m not privy to what goes on in the administration of this forum; however, I personally have not witnessed a lot of slack being given to this clearly well-intentioned foreigner with an imperfect command of the King's english and an even fuzzier comprehension of the subtleties of this Forum's conventions and sensitivities. I got the clear impression from him that he is entirely unused to having his ideas (and his posts) stifled by Americans, who are famously open to "new ideas" and an open exchange of opinions without rancor. At the risk of being wrong, I believe the foregoing was and is on his mind.

Did anyone here fail to notice how he recoiled at the pointed "suggestion" that he cease posting AIS reports on various yachts' whereabouts? Plainly he thought he was being a team player (most Germans are, ja?) and
contributing data that he genuinely thought we wanted to know. So what if
most of the data becomes obsolete in a day or two as the vessels continue
on their way? To his well-ordered and disciplined mind, that's altogether another issue, team.

Just callin' 'em like I see 'em, guys, and Lord knows I've misjudged more than a few in my time, and will surely misjudge my fair share (at least!) in the future. But I'm fairly certain that I can judge by the increasingly frustrated and irritated tone of his on-going responses that he thinks he's being treated curtly and summarily by Americans, and just as clearly he's unused to that kind of treatment from Americans, and he's starting to get a little chafed.

I'd hate to lose a good man's intelligence and good will simply because of a few misunderstandings and his faltering understanding of the American english idiom. I'd give my eyeteeth to speak german half as well as he speaks and writes english, but I've also plainly seen a misunderstanding or two here, and that's always unfortunate, though not always avoidable. That's why I was politely asking for a little slack for the man a while back. He'll learn fast, as long as he's still convinced that he's not being needlessly censored and/or treated with a premeditated lack of tact. Western europeans are sensitive that way.

Then you must know that the post I deleted was not saying the same as you claim above (in grey lettering)...

I knew it!

Aw crap - I knew (sensed) this was going to happen. Now he's gone, or will be soon, and WE are the poorer for it, not him.

Jeez!

I think I'd better shut the [bleep] up now, or I WILL get banned outright, which I don't want.

Gentlemen,

The preceding posts have been split and moved from the thread "Yachts in Gibralter" because they were unrelated to the topic. It's hard to believe the discussion turned from simple guidance by a moderator to a nationality issue.

The post I've captioned above by AMG has nothing to do with nationality, but rather with maintaining a protocol that members mandated many years ago. Unless AIS information is directly relevant to a discussion, it is outdated and useless in a matter of days. The posts on YachtForums, however, will be here forever. This means readers will have to wade through information that is no longer valid. With most forums, this is an excellent way to LOSE readers!

The original thread "Yachts in Gibraltar" by Daniel has generated over 100,000 views. Clearly, people from around the world enjoy following along and when relevant, informational facts and comments from YF's members, with the exception of owner's names and by request of at least a couple dozen captains on YF; to limit AIS info. Each has there reasons for this, ranging from security to privacy.

MKM, please accept my apologies. Your participation is welcome here. The moderators on YF are only following the protocols created 7 years ago; to keep idle chat minimized and focus on content. Brainless banter and bickering are the demise of most forums. We're not going to let this happen here. All of us have too much time invested in this.

YF is NOT run like other forums. It was originally created for yacht owners and captains to exchange information, the kind of info typically not published elsewhere. That same information is why we have 250,000 readers a month. And contrary to your figures, we have just under 9,000 readers each day. While many forums with only 20,000 members have FAR more posts, I GUARANTEE you the majority of those posts don't contain the kind of experience and wisdom you'll find at YF.

I am reasonably certain that most of our members have NO idea what goes on behind the screen, but it's become a full time job to look after YF... and each of us (AMG, Kevin and myself) already have full time "real" jobs. We are members like everyone else, because we have a passion for boats and enjoying learning from our peers. I can assure you, we don't want the job of playing judge or jury.