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  1. scherzo, Feb 21, 2007
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    Hi Everybody,

    I am new on this forum that I found 6 months ago, just before purchasing my boat, a 1972 Riva Superamerica 42'. I also own a 1967 DOHC Rolls Royce, so I like old horses !
    The boat, which is in a amazing good original condition, thanks to Riva craftmanship, is now dry docked near Marseille in France for some hull work ( stripping and antifouling), and some engines (2x 370 hp Cummins) overhauling, will be afloat next august...I hope !
    Best wishes to all Yachtforums members who will sail the Med next summer.

    Philippe
    Scherzo II
  2. Arniev, Feb 21, 2007
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    Welcome to YachtForums, Philippe!
    :)
  3. catmando, Feb 21, 2007
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    What took you so long to post?? I have a Cummins engine in my truck it's awesome!!

    Oh yeah, welcome to yachtforums!! :)
  4. YachtForum, Feb 21, 2007
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    Welcome to YF Philippe.
  5. CaptTom, Feb 21, 2007
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    Welcome aboard, Philippe.
    Glad to see you have come over from the "lurking" side. Lol
    Looking forward to your posts, questions and insights.
  6. V65, Feb 21, 2007
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    Welcome aboard to YF, Philippe...
  7. Loren Schweizer, Feb 21, 2007
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    Here's to old horses, Phillpe II!
    Post often, post well.
  8. scherzo, Feb 22, 2007
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    Thank You all for your Welcome.

    I forgot to mention that I live in Paris, and that the boat is moored on the Med near Marseille in a sunny place.
    If some of you intend to come to Paris for vacation or business trip, I would be glad to meet and talk about yachts ( new and vintage !), drinking a bootle of wine in a nice restaurant.
    Here attached a pic of the Riva: the hull work is now completed, and I will start the engines work in may.
    Those are quite big (12.8 liters) V8 old generation Cummins engines with Garret turbos, but reliable and simple: no electronics .

    I'll try to post regulary on the forum, ...if I have some interesting yachting news coming from the french Riviera!

    Philippe
    Scherzo II

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  9. K1W1, Feb 22, 2007
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    Hi,

    Welcome to YF.

    What Model Engines do you have?

    I am not familiar with a 12.8Lt Older generation Cummins V8
  10. scherzo, Feb 22, 2007
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    Hi KIWI,

    My engines are CUMMINS VTA 370 with 1070 hours, which should be true regarding the previous owner maintenance and the general outstanding condition of this 1972 boat.
  11. K1W1, Feb 22, 2007
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    Hi,

    When I did my apprenticeship I encountered a lot of 903, 555, 504 V8 Cummins Engines.

    The 903 and 504 were great the 555 on the other hand was an awful example of modern engineering.
  12. scherzo, Feb 22, 2007
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    Hi,

    Cummins France told me that the VT 370 was very similar to the 903, but smaller.
    What do you mean by " awfull example of modern engineering" regarding the 555 ?
    As you noticed in my previous posts I do like "old engineering" !

    Thanks for your remarks on this interesting philosophical subject...
  13. Yacht News, Feb 22, 2007
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    Ahh, the Yacht Forums winch is weighing in the lurkers anchor..lol
    Welcome to the other side Philippe.
  14. K1W1, Feb 22, 2007
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    Hi,

    I finished my apprenticeship 26 yrs ago so what I saw back then wasn't modern in the current sense of the word

    We serviced them installed in International ACCO Model Trucks.

    They were plagued by Liner leaks, cracks in the heads and blocks and general unreliability.

    The 504 and 903 look very similar from the outside to the untrained eye but they are almost indestructable engines and gave customers excellent value for money and reliability in revenue earning vehicles.
  15. Loren Schweizer, Feb 22, 2007
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    Ha!
    K1W1 and I are on the same page.

    The brand 'B' boats with which I was associated offered up the VTA 903s in their 42 and the naturally aspirated 504s in the 31. Great engines, no oil leaks.

    The company boat, a 35, had the "triple nickels" ( a/k/a the 555s). The boat got slower over time. A mystery, even!

    The brand 'C' mechanic essentially said, " Turn the screw up on the PT ( pressure/time) pump 'til you get what you want".

    Huh?

    It is not a real mystery why these motors eventually just faded away.

    They were compact little buggers, though.
  16. scherzo, Feb 23, 2007
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    Well, thank you all for your advices on these vintage Cummins, far away from common rail injection and electronic devices.

    Maybe something funny to think about in this Forum:

    I have the original 1972 Riva catalog and price list :

    At that time the Superaquarama ( wood) was worth 75.000 US $ and the new Superamerica 42( fiberglass) was worth 200.000 US $

    I wonder what would be the prices of these boats if new today ?



    Cheers
  17. Francois, Feb 23, 2007
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    Welcome philippe ,Your boat looks very nice and sure will be ready for launching soon.

    Francois
  18. scherzo, Feb 26, 2007
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    Thank you François,

    I am glad that you appreciate this old fiberglass Riva which may be a classic one day.

    You have a french surname : are you french or from a french origin in South Africa ?