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Maneuvering a Motor Yacht -Visibility

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  1. BruceDJames

    BruceDJames New Member

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    Manuevering/docking a Motor Yacht

    Hi everyone ,

    I am selling my express cruiser for a motor yacht. I was in the cockpit of one today and the view behind the boat from the cockpit for docking is ZERO.
    Does anyone have any practical suggestions on manuevering a motor yacht into the dock slip? Seems like leaving the smiley windows open on each side and sneaking a quick peak and trusting my better half to call out distances may be the way.
    Any feedback is much appreciated.

    Thanks
    Bruce
  2. PropBet

    PropBet Senior Member

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    Wireless or Aft controls (wireless or remote) may be something you'd want to explore.
  3. BruceDJames

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    Good point, Seem many of the newer motor yachts have the wireless toggle controls, that would be nice, I'll take a look.
  4. Pascal

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    it's impossible to give you an inteligent and useful reply without even knowing what boat you are looking at! Also, i'm not sure how you could have zero visibility from the cokcpit of any boat since by definition the cockpit all the way at the stern!

    generally speaking...

    on the typical motoryacht, flush deck with a pilot house, if there is a partition behind the PH, teh only way to back it into a slip is to look thru the door going aft into the saloon and/or taking a couple of step sideways on one side and look out the PH door. A friend of mine has a Hatt 58MY which i run sometimes with galley up and that's what i do. not ideal but it works. Or i look aft thru the saloon/galley door and out a side window... you really only need to look at one side since when that side is close enough to the pilings, you know the other side will clear.

    on my 53, with galley down, the visibility aft is excellent thru the saloon since i dont' have any bulkhead.

    One work around is to add a set of engine controls on the aft deck or cockpit depending on the boat. that's what i have on the 70 footer that i run (skylounge with no lower helm)... I usually bring the boat in front of the slip from the upper helm, then come down the stairs to take it from the aft deck. Depending on the type of engine controls the boat has it can be easy and cheap... or complex and expensive! if the boat is small and has manual cables, it's pretty easy as long as you can run the cables to the ER. with Morse electronics it's jsut running wires ut the controls are more costly. if the boat is bigger and has pneumatic or hydraulic controls costs will vary.

    an other solution, is too add a camera at the stern. It works very well especially to amneuver in tight quarters where you still need to see where your bow is. pretty cheap and easy to add, although as usual running the wire is the hardest part... you can sometimes run the video feed to a plotter or you can just get an LCD TV (if you have an inside helm)

    i really dont' like relying on anyone to call distance when backing up... it's not precise enough and you may be alone some day.
  5. CaptEvan

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    I believe he meant the helm, as many express cruisers combine the two. That or he is a current or expired pilot.

    Another nod here for aft controls. Or you could simply install an aft-facing camera to show you what you just hit. ;)
  6. BruceDJames

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    THanks for both replys,

    The motor yacht is a Carver 406 and the aft lounge area blocks rearward visbility even through the through the stairway. All other visbility is fine.
    Seems the best approach for this boat is the brief glance out the side windows on one side while backing into the slip. I like the idea of the back-up camera, seems like cheating but might as well take advantage of technology.:cool:

    I like to limit too much reliance on my deckhand cause that never seems to go well from experience and it is not an option to replace her at this point;)
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    Looks like a nice boat. After you dock it a few times I don't think you will have a problem. We had a 36' Sea Ray aft cabin with a similar layout. While you do lose sight of the dock as you get close you still have an idea where it is. A quick look out the sides tells you exactly where you are. And with that size boat it's easy to correct mistakes pretty quickly. If you're worried get someone who knows the boat to ride with you a few times until you're confident.
  8. BruceDJames

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    Thank you for the feedback wscott52. Seems like it is just a matter of doing it a few times to build the confidence,
    Can't wait to close the deal!
    Have a great summer
  9. NYCAP123

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    Bruce,
    You only need a slight bit of visibility. It can usually be found down the bridge step. Once you determine that your boat will fit the slip you just have to watch one side of the stern slip past the piling. If you stay close to that piling your other side is fine. Once inside the poles stop the boat with about 1/3 in the slip and check the distance from your stern to the end of the slip. Then watch the one piling you can see. If you have 10' left to go watch that piling move about 8' along your side. Then you can stop and check the distance at the stern again and fine tune. Also, when you turn your stern to the slip turn your body around and plant your butt on the wheel, square your shoulders with your transom and the slip. That will allow you to become one with the boat. If your angle to the next boat, the bulkhead or whatever becomes anything but square you can feel it and adjust. No need to see all or even more than a small part of your boat.
    What I will generally do is aim for the upwind pole. When I'm a few inches away I will stop for a split second, make the final adjustment and slide in. Once you corners are inside the poles NEVER pull back out. If the wind grabs your bow you can just pivot off the downwind pole. If you leave it your whole boat will head for your neighbor.
    FInally, remember my favorite expression when I teach: "SLOW IS CHEAP". Whatever happens let it happen slow. If you lose it and are being pushed into another boat and don't know what to do; do nothing. Let the hit happen. If you hit the throttles it will get so bad, so fast. Put another way, When that little voice in your head screams 'HIT THE GAS', go straight to neutral...think...then either do the maneuver you KNOW is right or do nothing at all and take the soft hit. It's happened to everyone.
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    NYCAP123, great instructing.
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    To add tio NYCAP's advice, I would add that "Neutral is a working gear"
    Some folks feel they must be in either Fwd or Rev to have control but infact, as stated, the slow approach is wise and requires using neutral as well.
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    Good point. When I teach, two main points I push are "Slow Is Cheap", and when it starts turning to c--p; you feel you heartrate starting to rise, and that little voice inside your head screams 'HIT THE GAS; HIT THE GAS' go straight to NEUTRAL. Stop, think and if necessary take to soft hit. It's happened to everyone and will only get worse with speed. Besides, we do have to support the fiberglass repair industry.;)
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    generally speaking the bigger the boat, the more time you spend in neutral when maneuvring in close quarters. reason is simple: bigger engines, bigger props, more torque.
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    Excellent Advice.

    Yes go slow and never hit the gas! Easier to say than do. I clipped a guys boat backing in and made it worse by hitting the gas. I had three people shouting at me with conflicting instructions and was in serious back pain. It's a good idea to have a little safety (docking) meeting with all involved if possible and always designate one person to shout!
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    Hitting the gas (without knowing exactly what the result will be) is a great way to turn a bad situation into a horrible one. Unless you can evaluate the instructions and determine that the person giving them does in fact know what he's talking about close those ears, put the boat into a safe position and figure it out yourself.
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    I always use the saying "Never approach anything faster than you're comfortable hitting it".

    Great instructions here. I guess I'm lucky. From the first time I backed our 40 into the slip, it just always seemed naturally easy to me. The only time I ever had a problem was fighting the 7 kt cross current at the St. Augustine (FL) municipal marina.
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    Been in that marina many times. If that's the hardest marina you've encountered you've lived a charmed life.:) Have I got a couple of marinas up here for you to try?:eek:
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    3 knots tops there- but it does feel like 7. It is one of the tougher marinas to pull into- but then so is Sailfish Marina on singer island FL my home port.
    Slow is cheap? My version is "slow is pro", but then at places like Sailfish and St Aug MM slow is not really an option sometimes.
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    You guys really have to try Modern Yachts on the west side of the Shinnicock Canal when the locks are open. Legitimate 6 kt to the south, wind to the north and about 50feet bow to bow once inside the T-dock. Guaranteed to hold your attention.:eek: Yes, all the power you need, but only the power you need.
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    While I'm headed to Shini tomorrow, it's in my MB diesel wagon not the Sea Deuce. She's not going there anytime soon unless it's an emergency.