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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Greylon, May 5, 2011.

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  1. Greylon

    Greylon New Member

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    I am 39 years old and thinking about retirement, in about 10 years now. As part of that I would love to have a boat to cruise around SE Asia in. I am not rich and will not be able to afford anything near a million dollar boat I keep seeing people talk about on here, but Thailand is cheap and I should have plenty to live out my life there by that point.
    I keep seeing people talk about these very expensive boats on here, but I browse around the internet for used boats and see things like this
    http://www.**************/boats/197...-Sportfisher-1927629/Seattle/WA/United-States (this boat is listed as sales pending already so please don't think I am trying to spam or promote something it is simply an example of what I am seeing and thinking I could do)
    Please explain to me why something like this would be a horrible idea. I plan on living in Thailand were labor is dirt cheap so a crew (which I'm am sure I would need for at least a couple years since all I have owned so far is small ski boats to put on the lakes around here) should be pretty darn cheap.
    What would something like this use in fuel ? I should be in no hurry to get anywhere, so if its like my small boats and going 3/4 speed uses 1/5th the fuel or less of going full speed please take into account the lower speed.
    I know there would be upkeep cost as well but are they really that bad ? I seem to remember seeing you could rebuild engines like that for under 30k isn't that pretty much the worst thing your going to run into (assuming you have the boat inspected in the first place and its is seaworthy).
    Thanks in advance for any help, I'm pretty sure the answers are going to be no way I can afford such a hobby, but just looking around I don't see why not and appreciate being told why I should forget it, or better yet that yes I could.
  2. wscott52

    wscott52 Senior Member

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    How much do you want to spend on the boat?

    How much can you afford for annual maintenance?

    How many people will be on board with you?

    Not knowing much more I'd say maybe you should consider 40-50' sail boats a few years old. If conditions are right your operating costs can be near zero.
  3. Capt J

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    I think a sailboat might be the proper path, even a catamaran sailboat. But we need to know more info.
  4. Greylon

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    I would like to spend around 100K if that is possible, and keep operating cost as low as possible. It would be my wife and myself and another couple on board most the time.
    I had thought a sail boat might be the way to go to keep cost down but a friend of mine who has done a little sailing (not much but more than me) told me sail boats were much more expensive.
    I am not at the point where I would be purchasing anything for quite sometime yet, but I was just trying to get some ideas of what it would cost me and what I would need to start doing to prepare.
    When I saw the boat linked, although It is much more than I would "need" looking at the pictures it seemed like such a nice boat and something you could easily live aboard and was just curious where the serious "gotcha" would come from. If I were to purchase something larger like that I would most likely attempt to run it as a charter for fishing and diving trips ( I plan to have completed my dive instructor course by then) to help offset the cost. Assuming the boat is as nice as pictured ( I know thats a big assumption) it looks to be much nicer than most of the charters that were available in the area when I have been there.
  5. NYCAP123

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    Here's why that price: 1) it's wood, 2) it's 40 year old wood, 3) never heard of the maker. It looks like it started life as a commercial boat of some kind, 4) it's wood. The next owner may well be using it to heat his home (in his fireplace). There is no free ride, especially in boating.
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    Hi,

    Before you get your hopes up to far about being able to subsidize your life style with some casual charters you might want to look at the restrictions on non Thais conducting business out there.
  7. Greylon

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    I am pretty sure you can own a business in Thailand and work at it, now getting permission to work if you are not the owner seems to be another story. The diving school/agency I was working with there was American owned and operated and most of the dive boats seemed to be owned/operated by Europeans.
    Owning land is not legal as an individual, but business restrictions are much more lax, and as I understand it that is how some Americans get around the restriction on owning land is by setting up a company and buying the land through the company.
    10 years from now things may well change and obviously I would have to do much more in depth research and get a local lawyer involved, but I do believe it is a possibility at least.
  8. Capt J

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    And that boat probably costs near $100k a year to maintain and keep going.
  9. Greylon

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    Thanks Capt J, that is mostly what i was looking for. Is that mostly fuel cost or just maintaining it ?
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    Maintaining it mostly. Wood takes a lot to maintain, as does a yacht of that size, as well as repairing items that break etc etc etc.......How much per year do you want to allocate to these items?
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    Greetings,
    I've heard it said-Buy the smallest boat you can afford. Meaning, your $100k can buy you either a say, 1960 100' wooden vessel (LOTS of upkeep) or a 1990 40' vessel (better shape, less upkeep/fuel/maint').
    Peter.
  12. Greylon

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    A lot less than that, I plan on retiring early with a fairly small bank roll (less than a million) and living someplace cheap. Realistically I could spend 100-150k on the boat and prob 20k out of pocket a year to operate it and keep it going.
    I though with something that large and apparently so well appointed I might be able to cover a large portion of cost with charters and give me something to do after retiring, but from what I saw of charter prices in the area I don't think making 80k back off of it a year would be anywhere near realistic.
  13. sagharborskip

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    With no experience going into boating, you can pretty much forget chartering under any circumstances (regardless of Thai laws, size of boat, how well appointed it is).

    There are lots of old salts (and young salts) operating their own quirky, funky charter boats but they've been boating their whole lives and can fix anything anytime anywhere.

    To think you can subsidize a very thin retirement budget by picking up charters is pure fantasy. Are you an expert diver? An expert fisherman? An expert naturalist w/ local knowledge of flora/fauna?

    Any one of these might be a basis for your own particular kind of charter business, but having none of them and no boat background (no knowledge of operating expenses, fuel costs, boat materials, size of boat, sail v. power) is a recipe for burning through your cash in a hurry and finding yourself back in the market looking for work when you'll least want to...
  14. NYCAP123

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    I think that a misquote of a real estate axiom, i.e. 'buy the worst house in the best neighborhood you can afford'. With boats I always recommend that if people are considering 2 boats, buy the bigger and better one. If you're thinking of it today you'll probably be in it within 3 years with an extra broker's commission. Of course you must have a realistic budget for maintenance, operating and living expenses. Then double it.
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    Hi,

    Pretty brutal and basic which is exactly what the guy was asking for.
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    OP stated that he is looking to retire in 10 years from now. That should give him plenty of time specializing in a certain field.
    This is the boat I would be looking for.
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    I have a friend who has cruised the world on a 40 ft sailboat for the past 15+ years ... he makes virtually all repairs himself and enjoys a sensational life compared to many. He currently keeps the boat in Langkawi Thailand ... when he visits the USA annually, his Thai girlfriend lives on and looks after the boat. He spends time in Laos, Cambodia and often runs motorcycle tours for tourists. He speaks the native language like he was born there!

    He laughs at the kind of dough I spend on my powerboat. I would definitely be looking at a sailboat if I were you ... he likes catamarans too but does not have one.
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    One fight with the girlfriend can make a 40' sailboat very small indeed. Which may explain the GF as opposed to wife.:rolleyes: Next time he laughs, inform him that you can have breakfast and dinner at home and (an expensive) lunch 50 miles away. Try that with a snailboat.
  19. tirekicker11

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    Langkawi is Malaysia, not Thailand.

    I like OP's idea.
    Retire from the rat race and retreat to a yacht in a nice tropical location.

    I've met quite a few people who do so but most of them live on a shoestring budget. I would try to find a job you can do on the side. As OP stated Dive Instructor can be one of them. Doesn't pay much but enough to live on when the boat has been paid for. It also allows you to stay in touch with society. From freelancing for a diveshop you could build out into chartering your boat etc.
    With WiFi internet almost being everywhere nowadays (and for sure in 10 years from now) you have a lot more possibilities to supplement your income.
    You've got to have something to do. Many of the retired single boaties I've met hang around the marina bar whole day long.

    Living expenses can vary. Anchoring and eating local products vs. marina berthing and eating imported western brand food makes a huge difference.

    If choosing for a sailing boat you've got to consider the fact that you're near the equator so you need something that get's you moving at 10 knots of wind.
    I would avoid boats with minimal exterior space, being inside requires aircon and aircon is expensive. Better the open deck of a cat covered by an awning.

    You still have got 10 years from now to think and dream about. Just don't make the mistake of getting involved with woman who are not into boating in the meantime because that could destroy your retirement plan once and for all.
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    Just about everyone that takes a resort course has this dream. Lots of competition. To give some comparrison. I used to know a fishing mate (similar dream) who worked a good charter boat in Ft. Lauderdale. He told me he knew 100 ways to cook hot dogs. He used to go to the Sabret outlet, get 10 lb. bags and they were breakfast, lunch and dinner for more than a month several times.