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Liferaft location. What say you?

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  1. Capt Gary

    Capt Gary New Member

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    I have never experienced having a vessel sink beneath my feet (knock wood) so I would greatly appreciate some input as to where the liferaft should be mounted. My client has a 49 DeFever with a 10 man mounted up on the flybridge deck. We usually cruise with at least 7 people on board. As we will at one point be cruising the Gulf of Alaska, we all have survival suits. At least 3 are elderly and can't get around very well. Imagining the engine room in uncontrollable flames, black smoke everywhere, people trying to get their suits on while the upper deck heaves 30 degrees side to side, and what the heck, let make it in the middle of the night. If the boat sinks it would almost be a blessing. At least we're near the water but if the flames reach us first I envision people leaping into the sea and being lost. My job is to keep these folks alive. I could use some advice.
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    Good thing that you are thinking about it, many wouldn't. Best way to deal with that situation is to not be in it.

    Best of luck
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    Or another way of putting is knowing what the vessel, crew and your own limits are and not going too far beyond them.
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    Good that you are thinking about what to do rather than being dismissive and saying that it can't happen.
    Just a couple of points.
    Whatever the initial plan is, go through a couple of full dress rehearsals. If you can't get 100% cooperation from all then don't go. When you do a full on, completed and timed evac you'll get two things out of it. Won't be a first time full of potentially fatal surprises when and if you have to do it for real. You'll also see what the weaknesses in the original plan are.
    Don't count on one life raft being the answer. A couple of smaller ones closer to the egress points of those that are less mobile might be an answer.
    Do a practice inflation of the rafts. The first time to do that is not in 2 or 3 degreeC water only to find out that it's upside down and you don't have the time or wherewithal to correct the situation. USCG may have someone that can do a onceover to help. If not, then better late than never, drop in and ask for input from the Canadian Coasties on the way north.
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    immersion suits

    Have you ever tried putting one on in the dark?
    Try it when nobody else is around to hear and laugh. Some of them are NOT as difficult to tear as you'd like to believe.
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    Roger that Codger, We also have a 6 man on board. Planning the rehearsal was what started my sleepless nights. I feel like Steve McQueen on top of the Towering Inferno. I'm starting to entertain moving everything to the foredeck.
    It should be away from the fire and the Portuguese bridge offers protection and something to hang on to while getting ready. And not so far to the water. That's also where the escape hatch from the staterooms is.
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    You suggested that 3 of those aboard are less fit than olympic calibre athletes.
    Can they get through that forward hatch? Even if they are capable, is there crew than can be assigned to put a shoulder to that hatch if something were to fall on it.
    It's all just a process of planning and walking it all through until you just can't come up with anything else that could screw up.
    By the way, elderly people sometimes require meds on a regular basis. What's the plan to make sure that necessary meds are going to accompany them. Doesn't do a whole lot of good to get everyone safely off and in to a boat to then have someone flail away, die from a stroke and possibly endanger rest of the survivors because the required meds were not brought along.
    I recently spent some time in a place where we had to plan for a rapid evac.
    Asked everyone what they had to be sure of having to survive for 48 hours.
    Aside from one who replied,"My hairdryer", there were a number whose survival would have been questionable without their medications. Excepting me, there was nobody in that crew over 40! If you don't ask.......
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    There we have an advantage. The owner is a doctor. We have a resus kit, oxygen and a black bag of everything he can think of. When planning all of this, his goal was to be able to help people on other boats as well as our own. Great guy. Here's an interesting point concerning health at sea. The closest I've ever come to losing someone at sea was from fear. During a delivery I watched a giant of a man go for hours with rivers of water pouring off of his 300 lb body from fear. A doctor told me later that he should of died from heart failure. Fortunately he got off at the next port and flew home. (he was the owner) I learned from that incident We of course have hand held satellite phone & GPS. Take a hairdryer.........what's your point.
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    Sorry, should have put a grin of disbelief after the hairdryer comment. The person actually regarded her appliance as essential survival equipment for 48 hours.
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    Good topic. I'm wondering about getting folks into the raft. Do they try to jump directly from the yacht to the raft? Or jump in the water first, then swim over to it? Either way those people with infirmities are going to need "hands on" help from at least one crew member, possibly two.

    Kelly
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    Getting people into a lifraft. Concidering the likely situation it will not be pretty.

    It is not good practice to jump onto a liferaft for 2 reasons

    1. landing on other people and causing injury

    2. Causing damage to the liferaft (and ending up with 2 sinking boats)

    Stepping on would be ideal however it is often difficult enough to get people into a tender safely in calm water imagine with some seas running at night.

    I think that most likely people will end up in the water no matter what the intention is. So practise putting on the gumby suits, figure out how you are going to get people out of the water and into a liferaft, not that easy. A fit and agile person in a gumby suit has a hard time doing this so someone who has some difficulty is in serious trouble.
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    Yesterday we selected a location on the foredeck just in front of the Portuguese bridge for both rafts. I have to say I feel a lot more confident about going overboard. We have access to choose the lee side to launch and can easily pull the raft aft where there is less freeboard and a boarding gate. This will be well rehearsed before departure. I certainly envy you folks in the Med and the ambient water temperature but we love the NW waters and the occasional million year old ice that drifts by.
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    One more thing. If I might impose. After many months of coming up with names for this boat, it is still unnamed. The final choice that the entire family is pushing for is 'Mustang Susie' (owner's wife's name). She won't approve. I even told her I would knock $10 off my daily salary if she would say yes. I'll probably lose my job for this but would someone from the other side of the world post an encouragement to go for this name. Thanks
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    Sounds like Susie needs to know that she's honoured, loved, beautiful and needs to have a giggle. Perhaps she just needs to be reminded of the above.
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    Wifes never approve the use of their name if you ask them. Make it a "surprise"...:D