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L L Errors

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by Capt Ralph, Jun 23, 2024.

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  1. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

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    These last several years, I have been spoiled by GPSs and MFDs and really have not scratched LOPs on a chart in a while.
    Since my youth working paper charts, I used Degrees, Minutes, Seconds.
    Verbally, I would even say all out loud 80 degrees, 20 minutes, 15 seconds west.
    Written it would look like 80°20'15" W. I have also used 80°;20;15 W.


    These last few years I have observed my old method and;
    degrees, minutes, decimal minutes
    degrees, decimal degrees
    These were easy to understand but if precision was needed. I would type (copy/paste) whatever the format into my Dell dash computer and it would make a plot for me.
    Never really needed much precision in a while, I aim for 30N, 81W and always got home.
    But between these 3 standards (and others) if misinterpreted could be hundreds of yards or maybe miles in error.
    This could be bad if I had to call for help and who ever I was talking to used a different format than myself.


    But wait, there's more.

    I get these emails from the USCG/Space-Force.
    Security areas off shore for rocket launches.
    I figure here I would find their standard, adjust my devices to display the same and start practicing my communications more correctly.
    I just further confused myself.
    What format is; " 28-37-54.93N/080-36-53.64W 28-40-00N/080-36-00W "



    So my questions to the forum;
    What is the more modern/correct L L format?
    What the heck does a dash mean?


    Thx
    Caveman Ralph
  2. Ken Bracewell

    Ken Bracewell Senior Member

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    Mr Flintstone

    I read this as 28 degrees, 37 minutes, 54.93 seconds. This is incredibly precise, but hey have you ever been too accurate?
  3. Capt Ralph

    Capt Ralph Senior Member

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    54.93 seconds.
    Crazy.

    So, using degrees, minutes, seconds, just with dashes.
    Is this still the normal mode to communicate L L?

    And no, just degrees gets me to a familiar inlet.
    Probably why I don't like pennies.

    Thx Ken
  4. Ken Bracewell

    Ken Bracewell Senior Member

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    When typing, it's much easier than finding the degrees symbol. TBH- I have no idea where that even is!