Click for Glendinning Click for Ocean Alexander Click for Cross Click for Westport Click for Abeking

Help with vinyl/plastic enclosures

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Mark Woglom, Mar 11, 2011.

You need to be registered and signed in to view this content.
  1. Mark Woglom

    Mark Woglom Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    101
    Location:
    Live in Gilford NH. Boat in Sarasota winters, New
    A few weeks ago, I posted about our search for a 50-60 flybridge. We looked at several makes/models, and we've come to the conclusion that a Sea Ray 550/580 Sedan Bridge is "probably" the right boat for us. We looked at Fairline, Viking, Azimut, Cranchi, Marquis, and Sealine boats. In the end, this is what we liked about the Sea Ray:

    1. My wife liked the interior. I'm happliy married, and intend to stay that way. If the wife likes the boat, I get to boat more often, and I get to take the wife with me.
    2. Neither one of us likes teak .. in nearly every instance, the teak on a boat "needed help". We like to help the underprivleged ... we don't want to help teak. The Sea Ray was the only boat that didn't have teak that needed to be maintained.
    3. The Sea Ray strikes me as a relatively "simple" boat, with "commodity" type systems/materials that won't be hard to find/replace when they break.
    4, In comparison to other comparable boats (size/year/style) the Sea Ray is on the low end of the aquisition price scale. If we cand spend less $, for comparable enjoyment, that's a smart financial move.

    My one concern with the Sea Ray is the lack of a lower helm station, and the enclosure around the flybridge. When it's nice weather, we would want to completely remove the enclosure, and have an "open air" flybridge. We will not be the type to charge into a major weather front, and I suspect "nice weather" will describe 90% of our boating days. However, I know that we'll want to boat when the weather is less than perfect, and an enclosed flybridge (absent a lower helm), with good visibility through the plastic, will be important.

    I've read a fair amount about the different plastic enclosures. EZ2CY, Strataglass, etc. However, none of the web information seems to discuss the simplicity of removing/reinstalling the various types of clear plastic enclosures. Further, I can't seem to find the type of material that Sea Ray used on their new boats in the 2005 -2009 timeframe.

    If we're going to buy a Sea Ray, we will want to install a product that has both good visibility, combined with ease of installation/removal. If we had to replace the enclosure every few years, I could live with that. If we had to store hard plastic panels in the saloon, I don't think I could live with that.

    So, is there a clear enclosure product that meets the following criteria:

    1. Good visibility during clear weather, as well as inclement weather?
    2. Ability to easily remove the enclosure, and fold/roll it for storage?
    3. Relatively easy to remove/reinstall?

    Any advice is appreciated.
  2. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,534
    Location:
    Fort Lauderdale
    You will never want an open air flybridge such as on the 58' searay if you're running at 28 knots cruise and into 20 knot winds. Thats over 50mph of wind in your face. Not enjoyable, ever.

    The center front panel on the 58' searay attaches to the ceiling and is completely open, that combined with the staircase door open provied PLENTY of airflow.

    I would pick the 58' over the 55' for many different reasons, however I highly dislike the amount of steps throughout the boat on the 58. But, it is a good boat for the average cruiser. I ran a 58' from Boca Raton, FL to Conneticut. You can only run 8hrs at cruise with the fuel capacity. I've also run several other 58's and 55's......and 56's......
  3. Fireman431

    Fireman431 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    195
    Location:
    East central Florida
    (From an upholsterer)

    If you want a custom bridge enclosure, you can easily have it made for you according to your specifications. This means you can have as many separate panels as you like, hard acrylic or soft plexiglass, or flip up vs. roll up sheets.

    As far as the clear glass is concerned, I would recommend Strataglass for the front glass and standard 30-40 gauge eisenglass for the remainder. Strataglass is more expensive, but it is thicker and withstands cracking/hazing/yellowing/scratches better than standard eisenglass. That is where the majority of your wear will be.

    As far a removal, when creating the enclosure, start with the standard supported bimini or hard top. All of the curtains can be build to either roll up and fasten to the top, or simply unzipped/unclipped from where they attach to the top. The benefits of this are that you can:

    1) Roll up and fasten the glass when out for a short cruise or if the weather isn't cooperating. This could be typical afternoon thunderstorms or when it feels like 125º and you're running with the wind. Baking in the sun is no fun sometimes and it's nice to get the air flowing thru while having the sun shade up.

    2) Remove the glass at the attachment points and collapse the bimini top out of the way. This will allow you to easily store the glass and deploy/fold the bimini whenever necessary.

    If you have the top made, make sure that all zippers are double pulls and separating and the zippered areas have flaps that cover the zippers. This keeps out the majority of water during downpours. All fasteners should be either stainless steel or nickle plated brass. The canvas needs to be treated annually with 303 protectant to maintain water repellancy. All thread needs to be UV repellant. You can expect 5-8 years of service from your canvas work. More if you take care of it.

    Use a quality canvas shop that other recommend so you can see their finished fit.
  4. Mark Woglom

    Mark Woglom Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    101
    Location:
    Live in Gilford NH. Boat in Sarasota winters, New
    Agreed, but it may be enjoyable going downwind!

    That's a nice feature, and it helps. However, I think we'd like to be "outdoors" as we idle up the intracoastal, and I'd still feel like I was in a bubble with the nearly complete enclosure.

    I'm looking at '04 and newer models. I believe the 550 and the 580 are nearly identical boats. I believe all they did was change the model number, to reflect the 58' LOA, including the swim platform.
  5. Mark Woglom

    Mark Woglom Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    101
    Location:
    Live in Gilford NH. Boat in Sarasota winters, New
    Thank you for your advice. Would you happen to know what type of glass Sea Ray uses in their late model boats?
  6. Fireman431

    Fireman431 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    195
    Location:
    East central Florida
    Not off hand, but a phone call to them or a SR dealer will give you the answer. My person oninion is that they would probably use standard eisenglass. Why would they invest in (triple) the cost of Strataglass? That would be along the lines of a home contractor putting in top of the line carpet. It does noting for the retailer except eat into the profit margin.
  7. RB480

    RB480 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    226
    Location:
    New Buffalo, MI
    Depending on the year Sea Ray used Strataglass / Makrolon / EZ2CY on the Sedans.

    The 550 is virtually the same boat as the 58 as far as the Sedans are concerned, changed the name and a few other options. No more or less stairs on either one.

    I would go with a hard enclosure... Why?:

    -Easier to maintain
    -All panels that you would want to open can snap up to the hardtop; front center, port and starboard sides, and aft curtains. That would only leave you with the corners left up.
    -Bridge AC/Heat
    -The ability to just unsnap them from the hardtop, swing them down and zip them back in place is a lot easier than running around trying to go in an unused stateroom to retrieve the panels piece by piece.


    The hardtop really leaves no need to ever have a lower station in that style of boat. You never see a lower helm on Battlewagon sportfish boats...
  8. Mark Woglom

    Mark Woglom Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    101
    Location:
    Live in Gilford NH. Boat in Sarasota winters, New
    Snapping it up to the hardtop sounds reasonable. Not having any experience with that method, can you tell me the likelihood of hearing panels "flapping around" at cruise speed?
  9. Fireman431

    Fireman431 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    195
    Location:
    East central Florida
    The panels won't flap around as they are more or less rigid.
  10. Mark Woglom

    Mark Woglom Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    101
    Location:
    Live in Gilford NH. Boat in Sarasota winters, New
    Much appreciated.
  11. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,534
    Location:
    Fort Lauderdale
    I thought you were talking about the early 55' like late 90's.

    The factory enclosure is very good actually and made of ez2cy on the ones I've run. Both the front center and rear center panel snap to the ceiling and the door going down the stairs opens. The way the hardtop is curved, there really isn't a better system for that boat. Also, are you really going to take 2 hours to remove the ez2cy and scratch it, and find a place to stow it all? It makes no sense, considering there is no lower station.
  12. Capt Bill11

    Capt Bill11 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    Messages:
    1,459
    Location:
    Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale FL
    There is an insert you can buy that mounts into your enclosure that has a wiper and glass panel. Huge improvement in visibility in bad weather over the plastice panels.

    Sorry can't remember the name right now.
  13. RB480

    RB480 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    226
    Location:
    New Buffalo, MI
    I have the panels on my aft deck snap up to the hardtop and on every Sedan boat I run they don't really even budge since they are pulled tight when you snap them up.

    Even the Strataglass doesn't really move.
  14. chesapeake46

    chesapeake46 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,829
    Location:
    Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Bay & S.Jersey
    In addition to al the good advice above, snap up panels will make the materials, whatever it is, last much longer.
    Rolling up panels always seems to shorten their life by way of scratching the materials.
    Removing the panels and storing same below requires care and either bed sheets or some kind of seperation between each panel or scratching occurs.
    in rough seas thay slide all over too.

    I have a combination of Strata glass on the perimeter and EZ2CY on the front and rear panels of the bridge, which is perfect for my boat.
    Also my boay has a soft top which has zippers rather than snaps to hold the panels up.
    My cruise speed is around 20 knots, no slapping panels.

    I never remove my entire enclosure anymore but only the front and rear panels for air flow. It becomes pretty stuffy in August w/ 80% humidity and your putt putting through the ICW or restricted speed zones, but at least we arein the shade.
  15. 805gregg

    805gregg New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2010
    Messages:
    17
    Location:
    Ojai, Ca
    Sea Ray over Viking and the others, you might look into a new wife.
  16. Mark Woglom

    Mark Woglom Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    101
    Location:
    Live in Gilford NH. Boat in Sarasota winters, New
    HILARIOUS! Of course, if I switch wives, I'll be probably be paddling my next boat.
  17. 805gregg

    805gregg New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2010
    Messages:
    17
    Location:
    Ojai, Ca
    Buy the best most expensive one you can afford, then when you sell (all boats sell eventually) it will be easier and you will get back more of your investment.
  18. GFC

    GFC Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2008
    Messages:
    221
    Location:
    Tri Cities, WA
    Is this something like what you're looking for?

    The entire canvas and framing structure can be removed, but we always leave the top in place. We do remove the side and aft windows in the summer and store them at home. The front windows snap up to the top and the windows in the side panels near the front roll up.

    The flybridge canvas and the aft bimini are a material called Stamoid. It's more UV resistant than Sunbrella, and is much easier to keep clean than Sunbrella.

    Attached Files:

  19. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Messages:
    11,208
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    The plastic looks like strataglass. BTW, you might want to resize those pics.
  20. Fireman431

    Fireman431 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    195
    Location:
    East central Florida
    The only problem with Stamoid is that in humid climates, it tends to get little black dots in it. This is a minor mold issue (if there is such a thing) which occurs between the pressed together layers of it. The top will look clean from the outside, but when sun shines through, you'll see the spots. And no, they don't come out.