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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by King_Richard, Aug 31, 2011.

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  1. King_Richard

    King_Richard New Member

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    Hi there.
    It all started when i went to vacations this summer to my birthplace.
    After some days in the marina i noticed an odd thing, an yacht in the middle of some small boats (it was about 18-19 meter long and 4.50-5 meter wide, and was in the zone of 5-7 meter boats). Wondering why it was there i asked one of the marina security guys, an old friend, why it was there. I was shocked with the reply, he said that didn't know, that only knew that the yacht was there like that for about 6 months and without any signs of movement in it, nor even manutention, just like if it was abandoned there (guy words).
    With that i decided to take a closer look, just to find out that it hadn't any make, model or any other thing that would give away it manufacturer. Even more strange i spotted an open hatch, that i suspect is like that for the previous 6 months, as i was there for 2 months and it was in the same way when i left the marina :eek: . Also during my stay in the marina for the 2 months, i could confirm what the security guy told me, no signs of movement aboard or near it at all.
    Bugged with this little mystery i went to the internet trying to find its specs, the closest i got was that it was similar to 90's Princess yachts, no further than that. Also tried to find more by its name and port of registry, with no luck.
    Another strange thing is that it has a pole that doesn't seem to be from there because of its build quality (bolts coming out of a well finished ceiling), so i guess it is a refitted or custom made yacht, what could explain my lack of hits in the net.
    Can anyone give me information about it? Manufacturer, model, year, specs, anything.
    Not that is important, but i'm really bugged with this no model, no people yacht. Come on, who would leave an 18 meter long yacht abandoned like that, without any kind of manutention for 8 months? (not to forget the open hatch that could cause some issues)
    One thing is sure, the marina fees should have been paid or it wasn't even there.
    Here are some photos i deliberated took to try to solve this:
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    Appreciated for your help.
  2. SHAZAM

    SHAZAM Senior Member

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    Hi-Star or kha shing?
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    That is what it sort of looks like to me. It also looks pretty clean for an "abandoned" boat.
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    I was aboard the sistership to this boat a few months back. I have photos somewhere.
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    Strange to see the swim ladder deployed if abonded.
  6. King_Richard

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    Done some search based on the tip of SAZAM! and i'm also keen to think is a Kha Shing, at least is pretty similar in the lines to the 1991 Kha Shing 52' Flybridge and the 1992 Kha Shing 62' Monte Fino. Just never heard about them or saw them before :rolleyes:
    It isn't as clean as the photos show, but i've been told the weather has been good during this year in the island, so that can be another reason to it. About the swim ladder deployed, yes it is somehow strange, but also it isn't in the marina's finger, is halfway suspended in the air.
    Just thought it weird, leaving a yacht like that for all that time and even more weird in the place where it is, as the marina has proper places to boats of that size.
  7. NYCAP123

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    When an owner runs out of money, yachts often sit unattended in out of the way spots until the repo agent finds them. Often the owner is hoping he'll find money before the agent finds the boat. Or it could be something as benign as the owner only uses the boat for a portion of the year, and doesn't have the sense to know that boats need constant attention. That open hatch and the weather damage/animals he finds inside will educate him when he returns.
  8. Only4Her

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    Surprised security didn't have a look around. God forbid something happened to the owner. I'd think they should've boarded her. I mean, with the ladder, hatch and all...
  9. Only4Her

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    Maybe unrelated, but TANA is a waste company that operates throughout eastern europe, and also has operations in Spain, France, PORTUGAL (hence: Lisboa), etc...

    Good luck with research.
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    DK how it is around there, but around here that would be called "Trespass" and a crime. Even the real police would need a search warrant unless there was clear evidence of foul play (like blood in the salon, a body in view or the distinct smell of decomp).
  11. Only4Her

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    I figured Admirality law would have provisions for this type of situation. I know most marina's have bylaws or rules that give provisions in situations like this, where life and property are at risk.. especially public marina's. And from my quick 'google' search, it seems that most places have that. I believe in NY too, but you would know better (im on other side of US :) )

    I am only familiar with two areas (puget sound and black sea), which is very limited out of the hundreds, so i'm not sure about this specific location. At most marina's here in the puget sound, security would do a courtesy check, no way it would stay open like that for so long without marina officer getting involved. Specifically for this type of instance where someone could have been hurt and needs help.

    So sad a boat can be left like that and for fear of litigation, too afraid to close a hatch or see if someone is hurt. So sad.
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    I just got clarification. They stated that they WOULDN'T board the ship.
    So I was wrong in that regard... not the first or last time..

    But given that scenario, they said they would call the Harbor Patrol and that they would board the ship to make sure no one was injured. From what it sounds like, injuries or concussions can and do happen in yachts, so I guess there might be a provision (at least here in puget sound).

    Either way, I hope owner is ok. and ship get secured...
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    First, can someone tell me if it's the pixels or what that make this thread an endless chore to scroll down?
    Admiralty law has precious little to do with a boat tied up in a marina. But it's not all that hard to deal with. If a boat is there and the rent hasn't been paid, you go to court, get an order to vacate and call the Sherriff. If they have paid the rent you must have contact info on the owner. Call him and say "What's up? Did you know...?". If you know who the owner is, but don't know how to contact him, hire a skip tracer. But what you don't do is enter someone else's property without authority. Picture doing the guy a "favor" and trying to close that hatch, but you find that it's broken. The next day the owner finally shows up, hears you were messing with his broken hatch, and blames you for breaking it. Time to pull out your wallet. But if you don't touch it and things inside get ruined, that just costs the person who was foolish enough to leave it open. As for the swim ladder, rarely does a day go by during the summer that I don't see some fool cruising with one down.
  14. King_Richard

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    Thank you for the input, you all touched important areas that i didn't even thought about. The hatch i would close it if i could, just got it the maximun i could close from the outside, it is shown in the picture 7, the last hatch on the back (i asked if anyone was onboard before doing that and was prepared to take responsability if something bad happened). Also for all that time no smell had come or they would have acted. The lights were always off and no signs of movement, the security guy confirmed me that after some time he asked if was someone in the boat and as didn't got response tried the door, it was locked (i know is illegal, but as you told, he checked out), that is why he says it is like if it was abandoned.
    Only4Her, i never realized the connection to that company, good call, i will check it out.
    I didn't want to be so nosy about this matter, so i didn't went to the marina's employees doing questions, just informed my friend about the hatch and what i've done, i counted that he would say something to the right people.
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    the pole looks like to be a standpipe for the crane, sometimes added after delivery

    this boat looks like a Taiwan boat, in fact there are many details that would make me think older Hi-Tech/Johnson or cousin from the same yard. some the railing work incl the grab bars at the cut off amidship, the overhang over the side deck, the saloon sliding door, the hatches over the swimplatofrm and more...

    doesn't look that abandoned to me, and i dont' see an open hatch, unless you meant a porthole? sometimes in protected marinas, they can be left open for ventilation.

    surprised the marina doens't have info... maybe the security guard doesn't but the office knows what's going on. after 6 months you'd think they'd have the authorities researching hull nrs, registration, etc...
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    NY had good point about being blamed for damage.
    "accidentally" throw a plastic garbage bag over the hatch so at least some rain doesn't get it...

    What is the next episode of CSI-YF??