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  1. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Couple of interesting stories that were posted on Trawlers & Trawlering


    Cruise Ship "Carnival Pride"
    Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 08:02:28 -0400

    As Category 1 Hurricane IRENE started her northerly track up the eastern
    seaboard, the Port of Baltimore began to make preparations for her arrival.
    On Friday, August 26, 2011 the USCG Capt of the Port declared that the Port
    of Baltimore would be closed to movement at 2000 Saturday, August 27. The
    Maryland Port Administration decided to clear its berths of ship and barge
    traffic before that deadline, and for those of us who work the
    ships...pilots, line handlers, tugboats and agents, our weekend with IRENE
    was about to begin.

    The passenger ship* Carnival Pride *cut short her weekly voyage to the
    Caribbean, and returned to Baltimore, arriving at the Virginia Capes at 1830
    Friday, August 26. Upon arrival in Baltimore, she discharged all her
    passengers, and ordered 2 pilots to sail outbound at 1100, August 27. It
    was our job to direct the movements of the ship, while riding IRENE out in
    upper Chesapeake Bay. The *Carnival Pride *is 960' in length, 127' in beam,
    with a draft of 27' 01''. She is approximately 120' high from the waterline
    almost her entire length. *Carnival Pride's *sail area is tremendous. The
    wind's effect on her would be significant.

    On Saturday morning, with bands of rain beginning to drop buckets of water,
    and wind increasing, we two pilots arrived at *Carnival Pride's* gangway and
    were escorted up to the bridge. Last line was at 1038, the wind NE at 20
    kts. Within the hour we had 35 to 40 kts of wind. We passed under the
    Chesapeake Bay Bridge at 1234, and listened to the radio communications
    between our pilot launch and the various ships lying at anchor off
    Annapolis, MD. I felt fortunate in not being one of the pilots attempting
    to board any of these anchored ships in that kind of wind. By orders of the
    USCG Captain of the Port, all ships would have a pilot aboard. No ship
    would would be permitted closer to the Bay Bridge than 6 nautical miles.
    All ships were required to have a CPA (closest point of approach) of at
    least one nautical mile from each other. Some of these ships would be
    getting underway and moving further south down the bay. Eventually, there
    would be 15 ships anchored or holding station in upper Chesapeake Bay. I
    wanted to place *Carnival Pride *south of this flotilla, with no vessels to
    leeward of us. At 1400 we were approaching CR buoy off Sharps Island,
    Choptank River. As I began to reduce speed to bring *Carnival Pride *around
    and up into the wind, the Captain gave a verbal warning to the 900 crew
    below decks via the ship's intercom. The 50 kts of wind hitting the beam of
    this 86,000 ton ship was impressive. She heeled to port noticeably. We
    slowed to minimum speed. Because of the force the wind, the Captain was
    reluctant to anchor his ship. The decision was made to steam slowly into
    the wind. And so, it was here, off Sharps Island, that *Carnival Pride *would
    make her stand against IRENE.

    The *Carnival Pride* is powered by two Azipods which are essentially
    propellers that can be swiveled 360 degrees. These Azipods have 62,370
    combined horsepower. She also has a powerful bow thruster. These
    propulsion systems enabled us to hold *Carnival Pride *in a fashion that
    would be impossible on most traditional ships. The Master and staff captain
    split the watches as did we two pilots. They handled the Azipods and we
    steered the ship. The bridge team consisted of the captain, pilot, deck
    officers, helmsmen, lookouts and cadets. In 50kts of wind we were able to
    advance at approximately .2 kt. We could move laterally by putting the wind
    slightly on either side of the bow. This was not easy as the wind would
    gust through about 20 degrees left or right of its average direction.
    During my watch the current was ebbing. We were able to advance back down
    our track line stern first while still steering and powering up into the
    wind! At 2100 I was relieved by the other pilot, and returned at 0300. At
    2100 the average wind speed was in the low 60's from the NE. IRENE was ESE
    of our position more than 100 miles away.

    As the wind increased, it was necessary to add more power to steer the
    ship. This caused *Carnival Pride *to move too far to the north and
    approach the southern end of the ships anchored above us. The wind was
    gusting into the low 80's. Finally, the bridge team let *Carnival
    Pride*fall off the wind and drift south 3 nautical miles...wind on the
    beam,
    heeled over to port. At approximately 0145 the Captain decided to try and
    anchor the ship. This was not an easy decision as *Carnival Pride's *anchors
    are not as robust as one might find on a merchant cargo ship. They are made
    to be dropped and heaved in relatively calm conditions. Also, because of
    space constraints, her two windlasses are somewhat lacking in power.
    However, if the anchor held, it would relieve some of the stress placed upon
    those standing watch on the bridge. The anchor was dropped at 0210...it
    held ...until 0550.

    The wind was then blowing from the NW in the mid to upper 50's and we began
    to move to the SE at about 1.2kts. We had anchored in 42 feet of water with
    8 shots (720') of chain out. To the SE of us lay the deepwater channel on
    the eastern side of the Bay. Years ago I watched a ship drag anchor into
    the deep water cut off Cape Charles and its anchor pulled free, sending it
    aground. Needless to say, I was uneasy about dragging into the deep water.
    Again, the Azipods and bow thruster took some of the pressure off the
    anchor, and we were able to hold the ship in position, 300 yards from the
    drop off, until the wind began to abate around 1000.

    At 1600, after a survey of the Baltimore appoach channels, USCG Captain of
    the Port opened the Port of Baltimore to returning traffic. We were quite
    pleased that *Carnival Pride *was invited to come first. At 1640 we were
    underway for Baltimore, and "finished with engines" 3 hours and 20 minutes
    later at South Locust Point.

    The professionalism of the Captain and his crew is well worth noting.
    That's my story. It was quite a night.
    Bill Band
  2. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    USS Enterprise Breaks Loose

    This one might also provide some slight entertainment value.

    A few days ago, a fella from Samson Ropes told me about a phone call they received from the naval base up there around Norfolk. Seems that the USS Enterprise, ya, the aircraft carrier, broke loose from its dock (berth?) during some high winds and they wanted Samson, who supplied the mooring lines, to come down and see why their lines failed.

    Seems, because of the wind, the "boat" pulled out one of the bollards and then the remaining bollards got pulled out in a progressive fashion, one after another.

    The evaluation was that the use of a mix of various diameter lines, that were used in tying up the "boat", plus the use of varying lengths of line, combined to not distribute the load evenly among all of the bollards and the one with the highest load let go first, then, in domino fashion, the remainder followed suit.

    I'm not sure, but I think they called in an expert from the US Army to show them how to tie up their larger boats.
  3. AMG

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    I had an experience of similar nature once. We had a 50´ketch and was inside a breakwater at a storm, so the sea was not the problem but the extreme wind pressure. I had put out ten fenders alongside between the boat and a concrete pier and noticed then that the air pressure were different in them. So those with the highest pressure got all the weight, and burst, one after the other until all fenders were flat...
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    Interesting story. Seems like we didn't get winds that strong on the Chesapeake during that time. Thomas Pt Light didn't report anything near 80 knots. Maximum gust during the event looks like it was about 62 knots. Max sustained speed looked to be under 50 knots.
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    Hi,

    What time in the morning did it stop Bill the hero

    Have you ever actually been on a big ship at sea?

    Deck and Engineers are responsible 24/7 on commercial vessels and don't forget it.
  6. Yachtjocky

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    Brian, no storm is one to be taken lightly and not wanting to split to many hairs you may want to tell the pilot that the 6 engines on the "pride" only generate 62,370 KW not HP.

    The pilots account is interesting in that he states the captain and port captain took turns and also the two pilots took turns yet only a few hours into the storm the Captain decided to anchor to "relieve some of the stress of those on the bridge".

    No doubt there were plenty of engineers doing chinese watches down below making sure that power was available. :cool:
  7. KismetLRC

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    The Enterprise/Samson thread has been rolling around the boating threads since April 2011.....

    Samson may be getting a bad rap....or the Army for improperly installing the bollards!

    Sorry, first post for me. Hello Everyone!
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    I simply copied his report without reviewing it. But now that I looked it up the Carnival Pride produces 17.6MW of power at each azipod. That's about 24,000 HP at each propulsion prop....correct?

    I think if you read the timeline a little closer you will find they were out there from 10:38 Sat 27 until 1600 hours the next day. It was somewhere around 01:45 hrs in the early morning when they tried anchoring ...and that held until 05:50 that morning. At 16:40 they were underway to return to the port.
    Do I have that timeline correct?
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    Unless I am mistaken there are 6 engines on the Pride and in total they produce 62,370 KW of power, from that a certain amount will be for other uses than transmiting power thru' the pods'

    as for the timeline, that is my very point, you have 2 captains and 2 pilots who are tired after "only" 14 hours and 7 minutes splitting watches.

    .... now when I went to sea and was strapped to the mast on a wooden boat we were called men of steel who went to sea on wooden boats...:D
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    That's 7 hours per shift! Those cruise ship crews must be tough to endure that. It's a nice story but they were on the bay in less than 50 knot winds on a ship. Where they were this was primarily a water event with the wind being secondary. Definitely not hurricane force winds. I've been caught in the same location on a 32' boat in 50 knot winds and that wasn't pretty. "The sea was angry that day my friends!"

    Based on their description the nearest weather buoy is probably gooses reef http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=44062
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    I held a 56' boat for an hour in 50 knot winds during a squal once on a small river in NC. Between trying to keep your relative bearing without being able to see anything except 50 feet in front of the bow, staring at the electronics, and controlling the boat with the engines, and holding it in one place, after an hour it was exhausting. There was too much wind pushing the boat off course and too limited visibility to make way, I kept the bow pointed at a channel marker 50' in front of it and held it there. 7 hours of constantly manning the controls and constant concentration would be excrutiating IMO.
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    No offense, but I found your post to be very mean spirited and a put-down to a person who was giving his account of riding out a hurricane on a ship he wasn't familiar with.

    I usually like what you post but I thought this one was nothing more than a couple of cheap shots. I expect better from the "professionals" on YF.
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    Perhaps his post had inspiration from Hoffa Junior’s Pres B O intro speech.
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    CaptJ, bit of a difference between what you are describing and that from the cruise ship. For once I would agree with you that your experience would be excrutiating however having a pilot and a captain on the bridge at all times plus a helmsman, other deck officers doing their regular watches and nothing said about having to wait for a cute stew to bring you food and drinks and all of this in an air conditioned enclosed bridge with all of the latest electronics.

    Did your stew not complain about your demands in such bad weather and how many extra hours did your chief officer, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th officers plus numerous crew and cadets have to endure. Did your engineers not complain, how do you fit eight engineers in that 56 footer's engine room.

    ..and K1W1, stop being mean, actually I doubt that report was not from area pilot :cool:
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    Are you really that insecure that you have to judge someone else's abilities without having any knowledge of them, and belittling them? Really????? Does belittling someone else on an internet forum make you feel better about yourself, or your abilities? It is quite obvious you have not run a vessel in 50 knot + conditions based upon your statements and observations.

    I am a very very good Captain in my field and the size range that I run on a daily basis......up to 110' and am well respected for my abilities in the yachting industry. But yes, holding a 58' Searay sedan bridge in 1 place against 50 knot winds would take any Captains full concentration and would be exhausting for anyone on here, especially after running 200 nm's at cruise in open ocean, but you are omnicient I know.

    Even in a glass bridge, with the latest electronics, holding a ship such as this cruise ship in place and with the bow into the wind against Hurricane force winds, takes total concentration and constant maneuvering of the joystick or controls at ALL TIMES. It is excrutiating for any Captain to have to hold a vessel in place in these conditions for hours upon end. It would be comparable to docking in pouring rain and 30 knot winds for 7 hours straight. Or equivalent to a surgeon in the operating room and operating on a patient for 7 hours straight. Regardless of your abilities you are giving the situation your 100% effort and concentration for 7 hours straight and not even able to leave the helm to hit the head. In normal operating conditions the Captain might actually touch the controls for 5-10% of that 7 hours, and the rest is paying attention to the electronics and autopilot here and there, but at sea you could leave the helm for a few minutes to hit the head or whatever and just have a lookout, this was clearly not that situation.
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