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Gas from Water, (WaterFuel), HHO technology

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by brian eiland, May 15, 2006.

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  1. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    How about this as an alternative fuel source?

    from a news source....
    Two particularly intriguing exhibits were the H2O 2000 gas generator machine, a revolutionary welding and cutting device, and...
    The generator is a little 160-pound gizmo on wheels that is powerful indeed. In the words of The Center for Strategic Alliance Inc., “we can now make fire from water.” The Center for Strategic Alliance Inc. is a small consulting business with offices in Hickman, Ky.

    This technology, with more than five years in research and development at Hydrogen Technology Applications Inc. (HTA), illustrates that the solutions to our energy and environmental woes may be in the common elements that surround us. The patented process safely generates a molecularly stable hybrid hydrogen/oxygen gas (Klein/HHO) on demand from water. The gas is extremely environmentally friendly in that it has no polluting subgases when burned and produces only pure water in vapor form. It is currently being used to cut, weld, solder and fuse such materials as metal, plastics, ceramics and glass in commercial as well as artistic applications.

    Unlike pure hydrogen gas, HHO gas remains highly stable, reducing the fear of explosions that often accompany pure hydrogen systems.

    This isn't just good new for welders. This technology is being adapted for a new breed of hybrid cars. I've been hearing claims like this since I was knee-high to a grasshopper, but this is the first time I have seen anything like this that is believable. Take the time to read the links. You, too, will be amazed, I think.

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    Codger YF Wisdom Dept.

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    Don't know what's at that site but it's trying to do something nasty. Security systems on the server I'm using for outside shut me out of it almost instantly.
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    I had no problem with the links.

    The only thing is hydogen requires a substantial amout of energy to produce. For hydrogen fuel to be a reality we need to accept nuclear power. while hydroelectric and wind can produce none poluting energy they will not produce enough for our evential switch to hydrogen. And buring other fossil fuels to produce hydrogen is just playing musical chairs with our energy use.
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    After reading thru that site got to hand to those guys for the hype and spin.

    They are just seperating hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis.:rolleyes: This is simple to do with a cathode and anode made of platinium . While hydrogen gas is highly flammable with a atomic nmber of 1 on the perodic table its not only the lightest ,but also the most common element in the universe.This is nothing new.
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    Sorry for posting this. I just had not read over any material on it and excepted it at face value...my mistake.

    On another forum SeaSpark wrote
    There are several interesting discussions at this forum by some rather 'brainy' guys on the chemistry and physics of this subject...you have to look on thru it to find them
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    A New Zealand company had a similar system it had developed and sold back in the '80's IIRC. Never really took off and I seem to remember the company was brought up by a US firm. Seemed quite clever at the time, add water, connect to power, and shortly after you could weld.
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    Water Molecule Mysteries

    I am going to apologize again up front for revitalizing this discussion, as again I have not had time to read all about it (busy with a new design motorsailer), but I was recently referred to this paper on steam generation and strange unexplained observations concerning the 'water molecule'. ....thought it might fit into this discussion' (courtesty of a new member to the forum MaxResolution http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/37721-post77.html

    ....an excerpt...
    Karl Schaeffer found a way to harness some tremendous natural force which is inherent in molecules of water. There is no other way to state his principle.

    "It all started for me when I was a graduating student of the trade-technical school in Berlin. The year was 1924", Schaeffer said in his thick German accent.

    "I was in the washroom and when I turned off the water I heard the pipes knock", he said, referring to what engineers call "water hammer", a phenomenon in pipes that technology tries to eliminate.

    "It was a loud knock and my mind suddenly said -- there is energy in that water hammer! And from that moment on, I was hooked."

    "Of course I wondered if there was a way to harness such an energy, and I began my life-long quest -- well, it took me 50 years, but I have harnessed that energy and it can power the world.

    One expert in engineering, chemistry and physics while watching the Schaeffer machine spin and spew forth steam said:

    "I believe he is releasing energy that is inherent in molecules of water and this puts us on the verge of a totally new concept of energy utilization."

    Essentially it is apparent that the vibrational and shock-wave nature of water can be used as a source of additional energy.

    Read more at:
    http://rexresearch.com/schaeffe/schaeffe.htm
  8. MaxResolution

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    On to the topic of 'Scalar Energy"...

    Gentlemen;

    I have much to say, and an equal instinct to address this now with (some) brevity:

    As one of our moderators pointed out; Max, you seem to have broken out of the matrix, or something to this effect. Yes, my response to that is clear, and that's why I am having the time of my life here. In fact, I am re-living those precious moments, scouring the waterfront from Monte Carlo to Barcelona, gazing off into the Med, wondering what in the world might become of me were I ever so lucky as to board one of those magnificient yachts!

    Mind you, I don't care to own one nearly so much as I enjoy the conceptual responsibility of caring for one. I think 26' is the largest sailer I've ever tended. Ahoy! Now, off we go...

    "HHO," just as it is being hyped, is very real and very purposeful, but it's application here is limited. As stated, this requires significant electrical input, while the actual potential of that energy-release is clearly lost in free air at the output stage. Our 'Randi-forum' researcher is essentially dead-wrong in their overview, however 'close' to reality with certain specifics. Without reaching for my tin-foil hat, (and attacking Randi outright,) I can assure you that you will find these 'nay-sayers' wherever you see that 'BP' -logo, and wherever you find people reading the New York Times.

    After an hour of gazing into the harbour in Miami, I took a bee-line course to visit Thomas Bearden in Huntsville. (Google 'rare bearden video,' and spare yourself 6 weeks of searching for data on Tesla's best patents.) Obviously, we can take a step back as we contemplate Tom's "motionless generator," especially if you haven't a full understanding ot the work of Stubblefield, and the rise of JP Morgan and 'ITT.' (see "Transatlantic cable," "WorldCom," and "Illuminati," and perhaps "Marconi.")

    Immediate, and very pertinent to this discussion, is the work of Tom's partner in Idaho, John Bedini. Here, everything coalesces into a comprehensive NEW energy frontier, one which WILL be adopted on all boats in a matter of months, not generations. (See the wall of 115v light bulbs powered by the 'Schoolgirl Motor.') "Rex," (to whom that original link applies) contacts me weekly with obscure data, often referring to boats, wave-generators, hybrids, etc. We are both concerned for the planet, having long since aborted the belief that 'patent ownership,' (vis-a-vie 32% controlling interest) is of any serious consequence to anyone. God says; we must try to beat the clock...

    As to the person I just slighted above, 'rarefaction' alone is sufficient to dislodge the H molecule, as is proven in several mechanical patents. No juice required! - Do you suppose they advertise this simple fact in that little "Energy Savings Tips" brochure they send out with the 'CON'-Edison bills?

    In a few months I will be pulling wires on the likes of your 156' Feadships. But, I will also be working on a better way to approach the entire electrical component of the energy these require, beginning with the archaic wire harnesses themselves. Bedini & Bearden will find their funding, *if you are smart.* Me, I need to check-in with Belden, Honeywell, Mark IV Group, etc. Once they see what my idea brings to their marketplace, I'll be out of the game. That's why I've gone back to the books on the topic of water.