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Fuel Bladders on Bow

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by Jack Melton, Feb 13, 2025.

  1. Jack Melton

    Jack Melton New Member

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    Hi - I have a 2002 50C Hatteras sportfisher. Wondering how much weight I can put on the bow right in front of the salon for a fuel bladder. I carry a 200 gallon ATL bladder now with no problem, but would like to get a larger capacity if possible. Appreciate any feedback. Thanks
  2. rtrafford

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    Ive seen 1000 to 1500 pound tenders up there with no issue, and they sit on cradles whereas a bladder would spread its load over the entirety. If your interior is original, those wall partitions down below are plywood, so they are bearing somewhat. I would think that you can nearly double the 200? That deck is all cored, so be sure your foundation is solid...and the closer you get to the windshield, the closer you are to having that load get onto the forward engine bulkhead.
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    200 gallons makes that first fat 1500 pounds. Double the fuel, then a real fat 3000 pounds.
    1.5 tons.
    Ouch.
    Not mentioned is if a davit or tender is already up there.
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    The davit sits on a post that extends down to the hull outboard stringer. It doesn't apply any weight to the deck area.

    My play here would be to double by adding a second 200, sitting side by side up against the house wind screen. That's the strength of the foredeck, and it should handle it. Be cautious and put 130-150 in each to start and add from there to witness how she responds. Im guessing the goal is to stretch the range for fishing offshore. That's a bunch of weight facing possible seas...so my response is as to simply can she handle the weight.

    Recall that I completely rebuilt a 53c from shell a few moons ago.
  5. Jack Melton

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    I really appreciate the feedback guys! I used to have a 2000 lb Maverick on the bow, but the weight was spread over a wider foot print. I like the suggestion about trying two 200 gals side by side.
  6. Capt J

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    I don't think I'd put much more on the bow. You could try another 200 gallons. I hate bladders on the bow as they are very hard to empty in any kind of sea state other than calm. I know you can carry a ton in the cockpit and prefer 55 gallon drums as they have a much smaller foot print than a bladder.
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    Just curious, do you need the extra fuel routinely or is this for a one time extended voyage? I can't imagine dealing with bladders and fuel transfer out of them as a routine event.
  8. Jack Melton

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    I need it routinely. We fish at least once a month in the gulf out of Surfside TX, will typically run 120 miles out and stay overnight. We hold 1,060 on board.
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    That would suck to have use a bladder, much less multiple bladders as a routine. I'm assuming you've exhausted all options of adding another fixed tank somewhere or increasing size of the existing tanks?
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    It's not too bad. We have a good pump that transfers the cockpit bladder in about 15 mins. The bow bladder gravity feeds into the tank fairly easy. Yeah we've look at all other options, plus I'll be upgrading to a 60 fit in about 18 months for another bedroom and more cockpit, so limiting further investment at the moment. Love this 50 though!
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    I can see wanting to limit the cost given you are not keeping the boat. Hopefully you will post info here when you move up to a 60'
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    Definitely will post on here, happy fishing!
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    Just curious how much you burn on the 120 mile round trip. I make a similar run occasionally fishing in NE Canyons. I usually burn about 700-750 Gallons on a 53 Viking. I don't really push it very hard on the trip usually 22-23 kts.
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    We left port at 10 pm on a Fri night, chugged all night long 120 miles at 11 knots. Fished most of the day, ran 25 miles further south at 23 knots, fished till noon on Sunday, then ran in 130 miles at 26 knots. Burned 770 gals
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    We do a similar trip several times a year but we run at about 8.5 knots except for when we slow down to troll. It's 130 miles from our house to the oil rigs and we typically burn around 400 gallons on the 4 day trip.
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    Yep pretty similar, happy fishing!
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    Curious, do you actually save on gallons per mile at 22-23 kts? In my 54' I don't really save anything once I get above about 11 kts. I actually save a little gal/mile going a little faster and pushing to 80% load. I believe this is due to more stern lift at higher speeds. I do save a lot if I'm willing to slow to 8-9 kts however. 12-14 kts is my worst speed for gal/mile. I believe the hydrodynamics are similar for most sportfish boats although the exact speed where things change will obviously differ somewhat depending on length and hull characteristics.
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    I Don't have enough real data to say for sure but anecdotally it seems to save some $$$. Cruising to Block Island when I was in a "hurry" I definitely burned more. I average about 53-55 GPH at 22-23 (1950 RPM) I average 61-63 at 2050 but I only gain 1.5-2 knots. I have mechanical engines so maybe they aren't as linear as common rails. I'm pretty happy with the efficiency. I hold 1100 gallons, so I always felt that was enough reserve. to OP why do you want to carry that much extra fuel and weight?
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    I suggest you experiment with some inflatable mattresses. They cost very little ($15-20/a piece) and hold about 75 gallons of water (if you fill them up with water instead of air). Get, like 8-10 of those, position them as you think is best, fill them up with salt water, strap them down. Then run your boat in different weather conditions to see how it handles, etc. You would know soon enough where the limits are.
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  20. Capt J

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    Why slow down to troll???? Lures will pull and work just fine at 8.5 knots on your way in and out!