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  1. karo1776, Jun 17, 2014
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    Fools Parade

    I got great enjoyment out of this video this morning... sorry I already know I am sick! The lesson is if you don't know anything about a boat or sailing don't!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxg30c6z00E

    I suppose, I would be getting in a mess like this too without professionals and certifications restraining me from taking wheel of anything larger than the dingy... well it's not that bad really.

    Being naturally lazy and easily confused I have found it is best to let someone who knows what they are doing do the driving in anchorages and in berthing... maybe its best to just stay in bed on days like this.
  2. YachtForums, Jun 17, 2014
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    I *think* this vid was previously posted, but makes no difference. It's a good reminder. Licensing should be required. And if you could purchase common sense, it should be mandatory boating equipment.
  3. NEO56, Jun 17, 2014
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    Blowboaters....you gotta luv 'em....somebody has to. That is truly what I'd call a cluster****. I can almost understand chartering out a bareboat powered craft, but you require a very definite set of skills for a blow boat.
  4. K1W1, Jun 17, 2014
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    Hi,

    You are correct, two things reminded me.

    First boat with camera in it has woman in bow with drink in a cup - made me wonder originally of these folks had been into their cups already. Who takes a drink in a cup when going to assist another boat in trouble in your dinghy?

    The next thing was the other woman in the bikini.

    NEO56, There is nothing wrong with blow boats in general, some of them can motor from the Caribbean to Nthn Europe non stop at more than fishing speed - the folks in the video who seem unable to stop the engine ( lower the sails) are bare boat charters. If their credit card passes muster at the outset they have very little if any vetting as to their actual maritime skills.
  5. Old Phart, Jun 17, 2014
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    Too funny.

    Do not remember the drink in a cup part.

    Viewed the video.

    Now I remember.

    Now Remember Cup.jpg
  6. NEO56, Jun 17, 2014
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    Well K1W1, That's a crying shame that some level of vetting should be administered by the Charter company/ Owner of the boat prior to releasing it to incompetents (I certainly would) As I've written in previous posts, I'm somewhat claustrophobic, Even going aboard 100+ ft. Blow boats at the shows...they still feel like living in a tube. One of these days if we happen to meet, I'll buy you a drink and tell you my blow boating experience...for a very brief time I was co-owner of a 42 ft. Morgan Out Island. Oh and one more thing...the sound of a halyard slapping against the mast all night in a Marina is like water board torture to me.
  7. chesapeake46, Jun 18, 2014
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    Me neither..
    I still hadda look twice...........
  8. karo1776, Jun 24, 2014
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    First as to the cup...
    Often I do the same... and I do get given a bad time by friends and family. But in my case it is to keep hydrated... not pickled. Yes, I have dropped it overboard or in the bottom of the boat... or even with the cover knocked it over and made a mess for someone else to clean up! That's not MY job.

    Back to the subject. When I was a child I had a wooden lapstrake gaff rigged sailboat. It was just under 4m or about 12.5' long. It did not have motor. So I learned to sail up to the dock... usually dropping sail as I got near. Using the oars was not a real practical option. With practice this was usually pretty reasonable operation. That said, I am not qualified to operate even a much larger boat in an crowed anchorage. I might still be able to operate the small boat safely with some practice but everything is much more complicated and crowded over 50 years later and I am not sailing everyday.

    A friend of mine's 80+ year old mother wanted a small sail boat for her waterfront estate... which has a very nice private dock. She had not sailed in many years but remembered the pleasant times with her father (who happened to be blind), as a child in her sail boat. So my friend bought not a simple boat but a racing dingy for her. Neither one knew what all the lines were for. They would go out for a Sunday afternoon sail and as he said it was the most unpleasant experience to have your mother really angry the whole time... of course they fought over everything. After one season he could not wait to get rid of it.

    The point is sailing is a skill that takes time to develop. Best learned as a child... best not learned as an adult on a large boat in a crowded anchorage. Leave that for professionals... if you cannot afford it DON'T... just because you can drive a car does not mean you can drive a large truck safety... you can rent it but drive it safety... actually in France you cannot rent the truck without the proper license... not like the States. In the getting rarer and rarer times I get out sailing... I hardly have any desire to take the helm anymore. Someone that really knows what they are doing can get frustrated with even a knowledgeable neophyte.
  9. Capt Bill11, Jun 24, 2014
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    I don't know, that all looks like SOP for cruisers in the BVIs to me. :)
  10. karo1776, Jun 24, 2014
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    I have to admit... I won't go to the rescue cup or dingy, irreguadless.

    Yes, that swim suit is pretty standard issue kit... but if I had been caught filming that I would be missing something I might miss!

    I remember the one and only time I was helping load some supplies in the under deck locker... I was in the locker and having Ashley one of the stews hand things to me as I put them away... and the love of my life noticed the young derrière was getting a little close to my face in the process... I spent the rest of the trip sharing a guest cabin with her bald fat brother!
  11. Pascal, Jun 24, 2014
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    Yeah this is typical of bareboat charters...

    You want to mandate licensing? Sure... Great idea... Saturday night I was following one of th Miami bayside tour boats, cruising at slow speed by Miami beach marina. Knowing that the captain had no visibilty aft due to the dance floor, party lights, etc. I decided to stay behind but on his port quarter so he could see me before th bridge we were approaching, maybe 200' back

    Suddenly he decided to make a u turn to port, cutting and stopping right in front of me. I don't know, but a 70' skylounge MY is kind of hard to miss and produces a healthy echo on radar as well.

    Let see,,, he was not a "blow boater" and he has to be a licensed master...

    How is that licensing working?

    And don't get me started on the numerous charter boats I see almost weekly with licensed captains at the helm who can't even set their anchors....
  12. hrosetti, Jun 29, 2014
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    The last marina I was at chartered catamarans, I heard the people chartering discussing, after their 30 minute instruction sail, how do they get away from the dock. Another reason to never charter your boat!
  13. RT46, Jun 29, 2014
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    A license does not make you a safe boatman or boat handler.

    Many many years ago I was invited on a bareboat sailboat charter by some allegedly experienced sail boaters. They had an extra stateroom and I could just go along for the ride. Sounded great.

    After the second time they got stuck on a sandbar I opened my mouth and offered to help with the loran and chart book.
    Whats a loran???
    whats a chart book????

    it quickly turned into a working vacation.
    I had very little sailing experience but I knew enough to navigate and keep us out of trouble.

    Apparently the group and been on a sail boat once before and had grossly exaggerated their sailing and boating resume.
  14. karo1776, Jul 4, 2014
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    What I find most interesting about the last clip is that there appears to be no communication, verbal or otherwise, amongst the crew.
  17. karo1776, Jul 4, 2014
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    On that last video.... is why I posted the instructional sailing video seemed apropos.

    Seems to me even someone that had only a little training would recognized the warning signs. On that last video I was watching and kept going OK guys your about to have a lithe boom swinging incident... for minutes on end... then it finally happens.

    Unintentional gybes/gibes are usually caused because no one is paying any attention to what is going on.

    Even the VOR guy that got really wacked anyone with sense would realized how dangerous things were but they weren't paying attention.

    Actually this takes me back about a half a century... my first day in training in the French Legion they ordered us to line up and count off... now in our training group only a few spoke or understood French most groups its more have some understanding... but we were pretty dumb... so the Caporals would physically grab people and shove them into place and firmly say the number.

    Its just like dog training the dog... he don't understand what you are saying so repetition is the key...

    After a few hours of this and we still had it wrong... darned two Korean guys... brothers... who made a post look pretty darn smart... but the Legion is patient to the extreme, just like the sea...

    I said to some of the guys in ENGLISH "if we line up in the same order we only have to know ONE NUMBER..." rather than 40 ! Well of course on of the Caporals (one of those really tough south sea islander guys built like a tank) overhead. From behind his open hand slapped me up side the head... really hard... star seeing hard... knocked to the ground hard. That's called the "stick" sounds like 'Shtick' no boom ever hit a sailor as hard! But being particularly thick headed it only took me two or three weeks to figure out the problem was I said it in Anglo not French... there was no explanation! Oh, this line up and count off deal went on and on and on and over and over until we got it right nearly a day later... no breaks!

    Just like sailing... you learn the hard or easy way... it don't care

    And, in the mean time something else went wrong complicating things a little. Like some other Caporals grabbed everybody's freshly issued but unmarked stuff and dumped in in a big pile outside in no particular order. Does the legion care... you got a kit... yours or someone else's stuff... no matter... its your responsibility... do they have laundry service... ever... well yes... you, scrub brush and bar of soap! If they find a winkle or stain or speck on you during guard duty... 10 days in bloody nose hell of "le taule".

    Just like sailing the sea and wind don't care... the screw ups get punished!
  18. karo1776, Jul 4, 2014
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    Reading over my post... nearly every accident or idiot boater incident...
    Big or little...
    Guy who doesn't know how to sail sails into a anchorage...
    Yogi...
    Bounty... etc and
    So forth and on an on...

    Its always the same thing... fools parade... before the slap upside the head comes out of nowhere to sort them out!