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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by dino_dino, Jan 16, 2010.

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  1. dino_dino

    dino_dino New Member

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    Hello all

    I amnew here and to yachts. So, I need some help.

    I have used a 28 footer now, power boat, for fun, day trips and so. But, I like to have a larger boat, sorry yacht. To use it here on the lake Maggiore, longer trips, sleep in it, not just one day trips, but a weekend or a week.

    I do need sleeping space for 2-4 adults.

    So, about the size, the bigger, the more space, but also harder to manuver around. I am thinking of a mid 30`, keep it under 37`. Or, what do you all think?

    So, is there some things I need to keep in mind when it comes to equipment?

    I have been looking around, and I like the look on the yachts from WINDY. They also feel very well made to. Able to keep them warm in winter to, beeing made in Norwy and all.
    Are they good yachts?
    I do like to have a yacht that have the look of a power boat, not just a heavy yacht. If you understand me.

    Price? Yes, we all have a budget, but will I be better of with a used one, larger and of a better maker, thann a new one from a "lower" yacht maker?
    My limit is 500 000£.

    If I get a old RIVA, oh my they look sooo great. But, how is the quality? They also got the style I seek, but so do a new WINDY.......Hmm...

    All help is good for me.

    Thanks for looking
  2. NYCAP123

    NYCAP123 Senior Member

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    Absolutely go pre-owned. Most boats get very little use so you can probably get one that's just broken in (200-400 hrs) for a huge savings and the first owner probably worked out the new boat bugs.
    Once you get over about 34' give thought to going diesel Unless your lake is not prepared for diesel (mechanics, fuel). I'm not familiar with your area. It's considerably more money but they last and you'll probably recoup the extra at resale plus making it easier to sell.
    It's in fact easier to run a larger boat as it's affected less by wind when docking.
    Stick with calling it a "boat". If you use the search feature above you'll find a thread pertaining to Boat vs Yacht. In short let others call it a yacht if they choose. You call it a boat. Less pretentious.
    Finally, if you're thinking of going 34' or 37' go for the 37. You'll be there in a year or two anyway so save the extra broker's fee.
  3. YachtForums

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    Hi Dino and welcome to YachtForums,

    In reading your requirements, the first boat that came to mind is the new line of Delta Powerboats manufactured in Sweden. These are extremely
    well thought-out boats that perform well and offer exceptional fuel economy. They are also well suited for your climate.

    Follow this link... http://www.deltapowerboats.se/en-us/
  4. Henning

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    Depends on the level of comfort you want. If you're talking two couples in lounge about comfort with privacy and storage for a week available, 37 is pretty minimal. 50' is about where you get those kind of accomodations. Handling a 50'er is no more difficult than handling a 37.
  5. 'RoundTheHorn

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    A couple of builders that may interest you (and located in Finland) are Nord Star Boats (http://www.nordstar.fi/) and Minor Offshore (http://www.minor.fi/). Both offer diesel powered boats in the 24 to 40 foot range, but the smallest Nord Star is an outboard model.
  6. dino_dino

    dino_dino New Member

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    Thanks all for helping me.

    Ok, I understand what you all say, better to go for a larger one today, than 1-2 years later.
    So, now I will go and look at 37+. A 50 footer I feel is a bit large for me......Looks BIG!

    The boat will not be used for long distance, so maybe gasoline will be ok? Here there are lots of boats, small and large that use gasoline.
    When it comes to comfort, are some boats made with a higher comfort than others, I guess so, same as a car.
    When having a 37+ in mind, and comfort, is there some makers who stand out? Like Windy, Nimbus, Princes,Atlantis, Riva, Performance-Marine, just to name some.

    Thanks for looking all
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    Hi,

    This is the Lake the OP wants to use his boat on.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Maggiore

    It is a great part of the world and I have been lucky enough to be out on this lake and the nearby Lago Lugano a couple of times.
  8. dino_dino

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    Hi

    Thanks for the nice words. It s a nice lake and the area around is nice..hmm.....and with a boat, wow!
  9. Ormond Bert54

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    I just moved from a 28' to a 54' ... initially stepping onto the 54', I was absolutely amazed by the size of everything ... I spent the first day saying no way .. no way and then beginning to get used to the size. Ultimately, adult couples or even like me (wife, 2 kids, 3 dogs and a cat) will only be comfortable on something with some size to it. We will still leave the cat and a dog or two at home. 2 bedroom, 2 bath would be a good start and this might easily be found in a 43'-46' too.

    Driving the 54 was easy. First time out did everything but back it into the slip .. no problem. I did notice that the boat is more deliberate than the 28' ... pushed around less by the wind or current.

    Beautiful lake region you are looking at.
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    Thanks

    Well, yes, I think I also need some space, if the boat is to small, it will not be used......To bad.
    I am looking at something in the 37+ range.

    Right Now I am thinking of the Windy 37 or 42, the Fjord 40, Cranchi, Fiart Mare and even the Performance Marine.

    Yes, these boats are not in the same style and so. I do like the Look and the well made feel of the two Norwegian boats, feels well made. And from what I am told, they are to.

    THe Cranchi, Fiart Mare and the Performance are just great to look at, so sexy. When it comes to quality, I have no idea, same with comfort, but they sure looks great. The Performance are smaller on the inside. Also the material used in these tree boats are great, but not sure they are as solid as the one used in the Norwegian made boats. Yes, the Norwegians are a bit "boring".

    Any one here who have one of these boats, I will be happy to hear from them.
  11. Silver Lining

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    I think the type of layout you are interested in needs first to be decided. Do you want an express cruiser style or a flybridge/salon style? Both can be had with a stylish design. If you want to spend a week on the boat, then a salon design gives a nice above water living space with lots of windows and views. A flygridge on a cruising motoryacht is a very nice space to socialize and docking can be easiest with a nice view from the upper helm. If you go the flybridge route, then I would not look at anything smaler than about 45 feet.

    Last year we started out looking for a 39 foot express cruiser and wound up with a 50 foot two stateroom/salon style flybridge boat. Definitely a good choice for us. We moved from a 30 ft express to the 50 flybridge. Two days of lessons with a captain (from this site) and we had 250 hours of trouble free handling of the boat in many areas we had not previously been to. I would for certain recommend diesels as they typically have larger props and handle much nicer in a tight docking situations.

    We bought a Viking Sport Cruiser which is the US version manufactured by Princess Yachts in England. They are very nice boats and well made. There are other manufacturers in this class such as Sunseeker, Fairline and Azimut. Everyone has their own opionion on each of these brands, but I personally would never buy a boat that is not a solid laminant near or below the waterline. The Princess and Fairline are solid laminants for the entire hull and only use coring in the superstructure and deck.

    -Rick

    50 Viking Sport Cruiser
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    Reading that is worth more than the pay. Best to the family.
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    Hello and thank you for a good reply.

    I guess it is better to go for a larger boat, when it will be used for longer trips-sleep overs and so, than a small one.

    The style I am after is express cruiser. But, as you say, a saloon/fly bridge gives more light, maybe even the feeling of more space and is easier to dock.

    Oh, the more I read, the more I like to know.
    Well, I do like the style of the express, but for space and comfort on a long trip....hmmm.

    Is the Windy and Fjord solid laminated?
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    dont 'be afraid of a larger boat... the bigger the baot, the easier it is to handle (well, up to a point obvoulsy). larger boat means heavier and not blown around as much, it also means larger prop with more torque at slow maneuvring speed.

    Express are nice but you end up in a cave once you step inside... if you're going to spend time aboard, you may want to look at flybridge boats/sedans or maybe even the coupes which are baiscally sedan without a FB.
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    I have a client who for decades always had express cruisers, Predators, Pershings and the like...used to trade every year or two. He bought a 61, Viking (Princess) Sport Cruise and has had it for 3 years with no immediate desire to trade in until he moves to a big boat. The flybridge is what makes the difference. It still has an indoor station where much of the driving happens, but the flybridge really expands the lounging space and gives 2 more zones of privacy.

    BTW, I would recommend that boat if you have the money. 2 good sized cabins and a small one you can use for storage and a nice sized salon. I usually run 27-30 when delivering the boat. The owner will typically cruise it at 30-32. It'll do 37 without the tender on the stern and 35 with it with a pair of 1100hp common rail MANs. There is also a large lazarette for storage. Mu only issue with the boat is that the engines are too close together making getting to the front of them for checks and service a real pain. They come with bow and stern thrusters, so handling is no issue even for a novice.
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    Hello all

    Oh, when I started my question here, I was sure that a 33-35 footer will be the right one for me.

    But, as I am told, if the boat are to be used, and to be used to sleep in, weekend trips and week trips, one need space. Not only for things, equipment and so, but also for personal comfor and also having some space around myself.


    Then, I do not need to be afraid of the larger boats, as they are not hard to handle. Good:)

    I was also having my mind set on a express cruiser, oh my, they look so cool.....Cool. But, maybe not giving the best room inside....Not so good.

    I have been thinking, saying, to myself that a boat wioth a flybridge is NOT for me.
    But, after reading here, looking at boats, I get more and more comfortable with the style. They are giving more space, handling comfort when docking and so.
    But, sadly they are also more expensive.
    So, what to do? A coupe or a older flybridge? Or an even older flybridge?


    Maker?? I still have my mind set on a Windy boat.
    The English boats are also showing great quality, like Princess, Fairline and so.

    Yes, I know the Italians make some great looking boats. But, I feel that the Windy is so well made, using high quality materials all over.
    I am not sure it is so, just my feeling.

    Am I right about that? Or??
    Well, the hunt is still one, finding my new boat.


    Thanks for helping me.
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    Not sure about some of the others, but a fairly young, low hour 50' Princess or Viking SC is well within your budget.
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    Oh yes they are, and they are fun to drive. I used to love my day between Norfolk and Beaufort running full tilt through the turns in the ICW south of the bridges on the Norfolk end. The VSCs actually run faster, but they will not cut rail down in the turns like the Predators did.
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    Hi Dino,
    With that budget in this market, make sure you take a big guy with you when you walk into a dealership or broker.....they will likely nail your feet to the floor or break your legs before they let you go!!

    Just to add another VERY BIASED opinion on a boat, look at a Pilothouse. You will never regret this if you are in the "cruising" world. These are, IMHO, true boats for all purposes and can be used for all the activities you would want, especially with a "crew" of friends and pets. Go to Yacht World, type in "Pilothouse" then come back to these gentlemen for advice on what is the best model.
    BTW, there is a new company with a pilothouse called a "SKAGEN 50" that I like the look of, HOWEVER, as it is a prototype/new brand I cannot give any recommendation other than the design is attractive.
    Good luck
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    Your friends and family might be VERY comfortable in this

    http://www.65donzi.com/

    the problem would be getting them to leave at the end of the long weekend!

    That of course and getting the boat to your location!

    You have made an important point, that you can get lots of boat on the used market for a good price these days ... of course, repairs have not gone down in price much so maintenance and rehabilitation of an older flybridge could be significant.

    Mike