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Disappointment in Yacht Designs...

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by M Jones, Feb 15, 2024.

  1. M Jones

    M Jones New Member

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    Ok, I haven't been watching yacht style for a couple decades. Then I get on this site and the first several pages of yachts - while I suppose are 'modern' - are just ugly to my eye. It's like Bannenberg on drugs. Sorry, not sorry.
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  2. Capt Ralph

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    Other than just coming on with a blast of methane, would you care to share your thoughts and examples?

    Yes there are some modern styles of design that do not attract me. Then do some others.
    I and others discuss these traits, designs and why it is so without rushes of hot air.
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  3. M Jones

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    I do think that "methane" as a greenhouse gas, qualifies more as "hot air" than anything I said. I think I clearly stated my opinion, and now for some details: I realize that the vertical or backwards leaning stems are a design feature of commercial craft - specifically OSV's and DSV's, but I don't find them attractive on modern yachts. If you have a wave-piercing design, ok, at least the ability to shed water is functional. Perhaps I am just old fashioned... As a naval architect I really only worked on my fleet of tugboats - which happened to have vertical stems - functional for a different reason. I could summarize the rest of my objections by describing the superstructure shapes as blotchy futurist - as opposed to graceful.
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    No, you did not say anything, just blasted out your opinion and expected somebody else to understand, Come on..

    There ya go.

    I do agree and have other issues with new designs, difficult access from the dock, poor for deck access to the forward cleats and no/poor gunnel rails.
    But they look good and some folk spend big bux to purchase these nonsense botes.

    Lots of threads here talking about these and many more topics of new and strange designs.

    Welcome to Yacht Forums, We like to talk about things.
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  5. Pascal

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    If you are referring to the new UHVs… yes I agree 299%. Absolutely ugly. I have nightmares whenever I see a new one posted here on YF
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  6. YachtForums

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    As a tugboat designer, I would expect form over function to be your last protocol yet you are disappointed in today's yacht designs that are embracing fluid dynamics to increase efficiency, stability and increased interior volume?

    It begs the question... why do you make tugboats so ugly?
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  7. brian eiland

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    I have become very good friends with a housing contractor here in St Augustine, who at one time was chief engineer on a large private owner Feadship. We look thru some of the publications I still receive in the mail,....and marvel at the number of ugly designs compared to yesteryear,...just lacking in 'class'.

    This fellow really knows how to draw a good line,..
    https://www.yachtforums.com/threads/mike-kajan-yacht-designs-iv.31369/
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  8. Kevin

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    I believe that the fault (as it is perceived) lies as much with the buyers as the designers.
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    It seems to me that those of us who like traditional naval architecture are in the minority. Hard for me to imagine that manufactures are providing modern designs if the majority of boaters don’t like them.
  10. Pascal

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    I think I had nightmare after taking a picture of this thing bearing down on us :)

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    What happened to the concept of a yacht designating identity preference as a "she?" The boat in Pascal's photo looks "mean." My taste in yachts is varied and one of my categories that admire is tough or rugged or go-anywhere. But these macho boats don't look mean or angry, they look purposeful. Boats are supposed to be happy. I love it when a yacht makes me smile just from looking at it.
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  12. Capt Ralph

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    Well Karen is on board.
    You can see her with her hands on her hips staring Pascal down.
    How dare somebody make them share the channel !!
  13. Pascal

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    We were docked actually, that’s at Norman’s Cay

    here is a side view

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    Still staring you down.
    She has to share a Cay with you.

    I save the pics to my desk top. Open them with a viewer and zoom in.
    The stuff I do to fill my want for crappy humor.

    I wonder if the bote's name is Karen??
  15. brian eiland

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    Sheer Beauty

    ...from a reply letter I sent to Soundings a few years ago

    Just finished reading your article about Ray Hunt in the June issue of Soundings, I wanted to write and let you know how much I truly enjoyed the article.

    You captured not only the factual history, but more importantly, some of the essence of being involved with yachts and yacht design itself….. “the measure of total understanding of the nature of a boat.”

    And most importantly, you included the oft forgotten element, the sheer line. What a terribly important factor! Romantically stated, but oh so true, “it is simply her sheer … sheer beauty that is. She enters the harbor like a beautiful woman entering a room. Her sheer is the line we try to get right when we doodle boats.” So many of today’s boats lack this beauty, and correspondingly, some of the essence of yesteryear’s yachting.

    this could also be applied to the bow lines.....ah those beautiful clipper bows
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  16. Pascal

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    Yes! Nothing worse than a boat without the right sheer line or worse, a reverse sheer line like sea ray started doing some year ago.
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    In recent decades, it has become fashionable to do something new, and it doesn't have to be beauty. Each buyer has his own view on the question of beauty. However, I like the designs on your link.
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    To me, the three biggest issues are:
    - Concave vs convex bow. I totally understand how a convex line allows more room inside but it just looks ugly
    - Way too much superstructure (three decks on 50 ft boat, hard top, etc. is just outrageous)
    - Too many staterooms for a given size creating a super cramped space with no room to move

    On the other hand, there are some advantages of the new designs:
    - Much bigger heads with separate showers (improves the experience significantly)
    - Much improved stern/swim platform access

    Keep in mind that over time, we will get accustomed to the new looks.
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    Yes some of the newer designs just look ...wrong., However, I just saw a pic of that Mulder 2200 ( Oscar ) and fell in love so maybe its just Old Dogs new tricks syndrome. I'd still choose an old Mathis/Trumpy no matter what was docked next to it.
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