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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by gulfside, Mar 18, 2011.

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  1. gulfside

    gulfside New Member

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    Please don't take this the wrong way, but I have been visiting this site for many years and this is the first time I felt a need to reach out and de-lurk myself. This can be attributed to two distinct reasons:

    1) I have not owned a boat for some 10 years - that is, since my divorce and subsequent liquidation of said boat, I felt that I had nothing to contribute here.

    2) The fact that I am so utterly intimidated by the knowledge base and experience level of the regular contributors here, that I feel my queries would be either chastised, or fall upon deaf ears.

    I have been so absolutely engaged and entertained here at Yacht Forums; lived vicariously through the stories and challenges of boat ownership, that when it finally came time make some decisions and choose a floating lifestyle that would take us into our twilight years, I could not imagine a better qualified venue to ask for some well-qualified opinions.

    That is - I have found a new love in my life. Both of us being retired, moving to SW Florida and sharing the passion of boating - the thought of living on the open water has lead us to the notion of purchasing a boat. We have, through previous relationships, owned a plethora of boats, ranging from 28 to 38 foot in length. We have done some charters in the length of boat we think we would like to own, and even done extensive research with regards to what we think we might like to purchase, understanding that we would have hire an appropriate crew, taking in consideration the costs involved, have narrowed it down to two choices:

    85E Ocean Alexander Motor Yacht, or
    Hatteras 80 Motor Yacht

    Question is: In this range, have we picked the 2 most worthy candidates, or are there other boats that we should consider in this size? Please don't concern yourselves with the cost issues, as we have been fully briefed and accepted the expense involved in running a vessel of this length. We are purely asking if there are other manufacturers of equal or better build quality, layout, and/or reliability that we should look at.

    Thanks in advance for any and all contributions. We, considering the investment, want to get this right the first time out!

    Please be gentle, as I am a "New Post" virgin!
  2. Swamp fox

    Swamp fox Member

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    Have you looked into a Marlow Explorer? They are great boats. The people I work for love theirs. Marlow has several offerings and layouts. Pretty much pick and choose what you want as far as layout. I've worked on the same boat for 5 years and have no major complaints other than a colored hull is hot and a pain to clean.
  3. Savasa

    Savasa Senior Member

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    Greetings,
    Welcome gulfside!
    Peter
  4. Ken Bracewell

    Ken Bracewell Senior Member

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    So you've already found a boat?? :D
    Welcome to YF.
  5. Capt J

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    They are both good choices. I would lean towards the Hatteras over the Ocean Alexander, but they build a nice boat as well. Another one to look at would be the Johnson 86', very beamy and offers a lot of space. Also look at the Hatteras 72', it is very spacious for it's size and offers full walkways and a very nice layout. I hear good things about Marlow, but it's a totally different look IMO compared to the two you are considering.
  6. vlafrank

    vlafrank Senior Member

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    Knee jerk reaction to all such questions on my part:

    86' Nordhavn
  7. gulfside

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    Thanks Peter and Ken for the welcome.

    Ken, I always thought of a boat as more of a mistress than a love. ;)

    I have looked at both the Nordhavn and Marlow offerings. Both have amazing designs and look extremely solid and well built. I have to be cognisant however, considering where we intend to cruise, about the draft. We wanted to keep the draft under 6 foot, as we look to explore the coastal waters around Florida, the Keys, and throughout the Bahamas. I know that some of the harborages are pretty stingy with depths around these areas.

    While I know there is no guarantee, we chose the OA and Hatteras based upon reliability and serviceability. I find myself getting lost or so wrapped up in the intrinsic aspect of crusing, that I forget that there are these very real and mundane aspects of running and maintaining the proper functions on a boat. And while a know a proper crew will handle these issues as they arise, we just don't want them to always be in the forefront.

    Again, thanks to all who have responded. Hope to get so more feedback.
  8. Pascal

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    welcome out of the closet :)

    anything over 5' and most of the keys are pretty much out of your reach so in that size range you're pretty much out of luck. teh key then is to have a really good tender so you can explore the bay side in comfort while the big boat stays on the ocean side or in the deeper part of the bay side.

    choose your tender carefully as it is an often overlooked item yet critical to cruising. not all 15 or 16' tenders are created equal, some have better layout than others and better equipment.

    back to draft, 6 to 6 1/2' is fine in most of the bahamas, obviously udner 6' opens more anchorages but draft isn't as critical in the bahamas as it is in the keys.

    you're obviously looking into the "euro styled" motoryachts so the more classic boats like Marlows, Fleming, etc... are probably out. Between the OA and the Hatt., i/d lean toward the hatt for quality reasons as well as ride quality, not that the OA is a lesser boat but because the Hatt is really weel built with well designed systems. Don't overlook Lazzaras, built on FL West Coast

    Personally, i'd pick a CAT powered boat to Man or MTU

    One other critical feature for the Bahamas, Keys, etc is the aft deck and swim platform... this is where you spend the most time. On my own (small / old) Hatt, the aft deck is where we are most of the time, especially on the hook. Unfortunately, many newer Hatteras have ridiculously small aft decks.

    Capt J. mentioned the Johnson 86. I run a 2003 Johnson 70 which has an incrdible aft deck and swim platform... we've had up to 12 to 15 people comfortably sitting on the aft deck (yes... sitting ...) and the 6 to 7' swim platform is big enough to put a couple of lounge chairs and still have room to move around.

    while cruising in warm climate, you spend most of your time outside, not in the saloon or in an inside formal dining room.

    finally, pay attention to engine room and system layout / space. even with a crew who will handle maintenance and repairs while cruising, this is something critical to minimize down time and repair costs...
  9. NYCAP123

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    See, nothing to be intimidated by.:D Welcome. Keep us updated on your adventure. Some will be entertained; some will be educated, and you may draw out some other lurkers we can teach, advise or learn from.
  10. gulfside

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    Thanks to Pascal and NYCAP123 for the advice and welcome!

    I know that this will be a fun and exciting process, certainly one that many members here have gone through numerous times. We are anxious, but cautious as well. We want to start this great lifestyle, but I have spent enough here at YF to know these decisions are so critical, that the time and effort spent doing the right kind of research now, will avoid headaches and pay dividends later.

    Thanks again.

    PS-Those Johnson yacht are like floating pieces of artwork! Beautiful workmanship everywhere.
  11. Capt Buddy

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    I have looked at both boats for a client(hatt 80, oceanA 85), If looking used, the Hatt is a better deal(I dont like the side decks or lack of though) The 85 OA is only available brand new it looks like, and at 5+ million I would be all over a 85 Pacific Mariner, which there are 2 used one for sale , I think.
  12. Loren Schweizer

    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    Welcome gulfside.

    Pascal has it exactly right--the 'back porch', as you will find out, will become the most important/used area on your next boat. Trust us.

    Rule #1: There are no dumb questions
    Rule #2: See Rule #1
  13. gulfside

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    Thanks Loren.

    We go to a few dinner spots here on the gulf coast where patrons who own boats can motor in, dock, and come ashore for a drink or meal. We like to walk the docks after dinner and look at the different vessels - see where they are from. You and Pascal are on point regarding the aftdeck. Seems the majority of them, even those with flybridges, congregate on the aftdeck and are more than happy to share their current or favorite cruise experiences. I also like the notion of an open flybridge arrangement, especially with a hottub. Seems like an ideal place to entertain.

    Capt Buddy, I appreciate the input regarding your experiences with the Hatt and OA. Agree with you on the Pacific Mariner. Great layout and good systems onboard. Probably going to open another issue here with the wisdom of purchasing new vs. a couple year old boat.

    Anyway, in the case of the Hatt and Pacific Mariner, the point is moot, since there aren't any new hulls out there!
  14. Pascal

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    having a large aft deck and deep swimplatform keeps the "party" near the water where most people want to be. typically, in a group of friends, in warm weather, some will want to be in and out of the water and it's nicer to have room for the entire group rather than splitting between teh aft deck and the flybridge. It also means fewers runs up and down stairs, especially to and from the galley.

    the main advantage of a big open flybrdige is that underway (at planning speed) you dont' have the spray and noise that you get on an aft deck.