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DC Panel meter reads high voltages at times

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  1. CSkipR

    CSkipR Member

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    My DC voltage panel meter shows engine and house battery voltage and amps. The boat standard operating system is 24vdc. Most of the time it will read 26.3 vdc which is fine but other times will read 56, 60 or even higher voltage. Possibly several months ago installing a stereo amplifier I did something to impact the voltage meter, not sure. The boat has 6 batteries and I wired the amp directly to one of the batteries for 12volts. I've checked voltage at the panel and everything is right at 26v. Any ideas why it would read these high numbers. Thanks
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    Can you hook up another meter to confirm the voltage the first meter is displaying?
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    Capt Bill,
    I have checked the voltage inside the breaker panel leading up to the electronic readouts and it is 26v. Because the boat voltage meter is all electronic there appears to be no simple way to check it that I can see.
    Thanks, Skip
  4. Marmot

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    Does this occur only with the engine(s) running?

    Does this occur only when on shore power?

    Does this occur only when the battery charger is on?

    Is there any particular electrical configuration when this occurs, i.e. at the dock with shore power on and charging through an inverter charger. Or underway and charging through the engine mounted alternator, or ???

    If it is a digital meter, is the meter part of another device? Is it a multipurpose display that also shows other parameters?

    How long do these high voltage events last? Does the voltage ramp up and down or does it just suddenly go from 26 to 56?

    Are there other symptoms which might confirm or deny that voltage is high rather than a meter defect? Damaged electronics? Short bulb life?

    There are so many questions to ask before the crystal ball will provide a useful lead.
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    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    Marmot, I find your crystal ball's inability to solve this issue shocking.
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    I usually find electrical troubleshooting a stimulating process but I'm not exactly energized this morning. Perhaps later when I am better grounded I will be able to make the connections to generate some leads.
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    Hi,

    Be careful Marmot - Where would YF be if you were to get into an over load situation and blew a fuse while laying a cable so early on?
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    Probably a brighter place. Way back in my youth, when I sailed electrician and we were changing over from whale oil lamps to those new incandescent things, the Brits on the crew used to call me Lucas for some reason ...
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    More enlightening comments

    Providing answers to Marmot's ungrounded questions would provide more troubleshooting direction but I will venture into the fray. Digital volt meters are more sensitive than analog panel meters and as such are suceptable to interference. My first guess would be to inspect or re-tighten the Amp. installation/connections to the battery and any connections to the panel meter that may have been disturbed. My second guess would be that the Amp. is electromagnetically interfering with the reading of the panel meter i. e. the input wires or output wires from the Amp. are running too close the the panel meter wires. My third guess is a bad panel meter. Happy trouble shooting
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    Wouldn't these two comments together indicate a bad meter?
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    "Wouldn't these two comments together indicate a bad meter?"

    Not necessarily. A digital voltmeter is a high impedance device, in the real world that means it is susceptible to magnetic fields and RF as much as volts so, as Capt. Fred suggests, it may have something to do with the routing of the wires for the new amplifier, or even the cirucuitry of the amp itself which is probably jammed with high speed switching devices that are infamous for creating electronic "hash" that pollutes as much as the sound they produce.
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    Did you fly kites with a key attached to it behind the boat?
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    "Did you fly kites with a key attached to it behind the boat?"

    Funny you should ask that ... we used to make boxkites and fly them sometimes but no keys. Besides, that was Ben and he was able to get electricity on a regular basis.

    If Lucas was involved we would probably still be using Leyden jars to power our headlights.
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    Okay here's some of my answers.
    It is occuring when on shorepower. Haven't checked it with engines running although will do that.
    It does occur with the battery charger on or off on shore power.
    It is an electronic meter (red lights) with a two position switch. One way shows engine voltage/amp and the other way shows house voltage/amp. Same setup on the AC side.
    I feel fairly certain its the meter itself since no signs point to anything else. It could be the amplifier wires causing the problem as they do run together with some of the other panel wires and very close to the panel. Thanks for the crystal ball.
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    Just woke up ... how long has this been going on?
    Did it begin just after the amp project?
    Did you do any other wiring or electrical projects just before it started acting up?
    Put a digital multimeter on the circuit and see if it displays the same readings at the same time.
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    24 volt panel reads low volts

    I just installed 4 new AGM Odessey batteries to replace the 4 wet 8D's. for some reason the 24v digital meter in the salon climbs to 24 V's but then drops to read 3V's or 8V's or 9V's, etc. any ideas on this?
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    It sounds like a loose connection in this case. Specifically a bad ground.