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Black smoke vs white smoke (Both unburnt fuel)

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by ArielM, Jul 7, 2011.

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  1. ArielM

    ArielM Senior Member

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    So my detroits (8v92) smoke white for a few seconds on colder days upon start up. now white smoke on start up is attributed to unburnt fuel. The engine is cold, the air in the cylinders is cold so fuel is unburnt. I get it and it makes sense.

    The confusion i have is that black smoke is also unburnt fuel. What happens when the engine is warmer that the unburnt fuel changes color in the form of black smoke as opposed to white smoke?
  2. chesapeake46

    chesapeake46 Senior Member

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    White smoke = unburnt
    Black smoke = partially burnt but not completely utilized.

    Thats how it was explained to me.

    Partial combustion may be the result of not enough air, like a clogged Airsep or a worn out turbo.
    Could be the engine is overloaded like the wrong prop pitch or a filthy bottom,shaft, wheels....
  3. Marmot

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    White smoke is actually vaporized diesel fuel, it is not really white, it is clear but the refraction of light makes it look white. This is why water in the atmosphere makes white clouds.

    When the engine is cold and/or compression is low, as during a start, the governor supplies a large quantity of fuel as it attempts to bring the engine up to idle speed or whatever is selected. Because the inlet air is cold (relatively) and much of the fuel is not vaporized completely and does not reach a high enough temperature to ignite, it leaves as microscopic drops that appear white.

    When a hot engine receives more fuel than it can burn as in an overload condition or if there is some obstruction to charge air delivery, the fuel is heated enough to form carbon particles - soot. But since the combustion chamber lacks enough oxygen to combust completely, the unburned carbon particles leave as a dark cloud.
  4. Seadog

    Seadog New Member

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    Hi All

    I have two Cats 3208 V8 turbos. Recently we have done a major overall, striped the motor to bear minimum and rebuilt them. We did a seatril just the other day, the motors ran at ideal well, but the minute we put them under load and the revs exceeded 1900 the port side motor had a pitch black cloud of smoke being emitted, where as the STB motor had no smoke, to confuse the matter, both motors are only running at a max of 2100 revs under load were as before they ran at 2800 at load. I approached the mechanic and explained the problem and refused to pay him for the work until the motors are right. He then explained to me that the setting on the stb motor injector pump is not right, and could be set up for a grader instead of a high revving boat. Could this be the problem or is there something else that’s wrong?
  5. Marmot

    Marmot Senior Member

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    It sounds like you have a mechanic -al problem.
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    CaptPKilbride Senior Member

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    Best explanation for this I have ever seen, thanks!
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    Kafue Senior Member

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    Agree on that, it is in my notes!
    Thanks Marmot.
    G
  8. ArielM

    ArielM Senior Member

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    thx for the help marmot.