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  1. ArielM

    ArielM Senior Member

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    I have 4 -8d batteries and for some reason my battery charger keeps cycling on and off. maybe everything few seconds. The weird thing is after 10 min or so it will stop and cylce on and off every hour or so. the problem is the charger has a fan and every time it turns on it makes a humming noise. Any ideas?

    They are lead-water batteries.
  2. Fishtigua

    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    Do all the normal checks on connections, water levels, clean the fan, etc. The fans sometime spin on their shafts and make a squealing noise, if so, change it.

    On lead-acid batteries, as they get older or are cycled more often, a build of sulfate crystals cover the lead plates. Your charger may be reading this as low power and keep cutting in. 8D batteries have large plates and you can see the crystals when you take a top off and shine a flashlight in there. A battery conditioner will stop this happening. I've had success with Mobitronic wa-C conditioners.

    The other thing to check is the volt sensitive relay in the charger which may be faulty and needs testing.

    Hope this may help you in the right direction.
  3. Capt Fred

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    Are you sure the charger is cycling on/off or just the fan. When my freedom inverter is in charging mode the fan cycles frequently as required to remove the heat but the charge rate continues. You may need to just replace the noisey fan. Your battery volt meter or amp meter just be able to tell you if the charge is continuing. I had to replace two fans in my inverter before I got one that would work correctly.
  4. ArielM

    ArielM Senior Member

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    Good point. I do not know if it is just the fan going and not the charger cycling. I will check it out. i will also check for build up on the lead. I have two battery banks and i have replaced 2 of the 8d battery. The other bank also has 2 8d batteries which are problem 4 years old. Should i replace those now as well?
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    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    Get them 'drop load' tested first. This is where a load/resistance is added gradually and will show up weak performance. A lot cheaper than 2 new 8Ds.
  6. Capt Fred

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    Some battery chargers/inverters have a battery condition or desulfication mode that will renew the life of a weak battery. If you have this capability I recommend you follow the instructions and recondition/desulfate your batteries before you run the load test.
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    4 years? They're done.
  8. ArielM

    ArielM Senior Member

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    i have two banks each one of them have 2-8d batteries. I just changed two of them as mentioned above but IF the 2 older batteries are in deed bad will they kill the life of the new batteries i purchased?
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    It depends. Do you have a multi stage, multi bank charger? Are the two banks isolated (from each other)? They should be, and if so, they have no connection to each other. One bank doesn't know the other bank exists.

    Isolated Example:
    Bank #1 is two 8D's in parallel (12V) for house and generator start only.
    Bank #2 is two 8D's in parallel (12V) or in series (24V) for main engine start only.
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    Ariel: If the engines are not charging the batteries and the banks are tied together, then the old bank will drain the new bank of batteries. Even if the batteries are being charged I would recommend that the banks be isolated. If you have the ability to isolate the two banks then you can get some additional use out of the old bank providing they pass the load test.
  11. ArielM

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    They are isolated from each other but they are connected to each other with a parallel switch. So i mean technically the two banks should have no contact with each other. However in the manual i have with my inverter they show several options to hook up the battery banks. If the two banks are connected through the parallel switch and one one of the banks runs to my inverter does the inverter draw power from both banks? My intuition tells me "NO" but that is how the manuals shows for me to install them. I think once i solve this last dilemma i will have all my questions answered.

    Again thanks to all who have contributed. I really appreciate it.
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    Disconnect the two good batteries and test inverter.

    Reconnect the two good batteries and then disconnect the two batteries in question and test inverter.

    Notice any difference?

    Dilemma solved?
  13. ArielM

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    loool i feel stupid now. Ill give it a try sometime this week. Thanks!
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    I just reread your posts. thought at first you had a 32 volt bank. what volt system are you running on your boat with 16 vots worth of batteries?
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  15. ArielM

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    The boat is 24v.

    so i disconnected the port bank and and tried the inverter on the right bank only which didn't work. So as i thought i am only running on two batteries (left bank.)

    Now as i previously mentioned the right bank does come into a solenoid for parallel operation which connects the right bank to the left. IF i decide to connect both banks together can i just jump of the "power IN" of the solenoid to the "Power Out" of the port bank battery switch? If i can do this then the left and right battery bank should be connected. The only question i have is if i have a 24v battery bank coming into another 24v battery bank will i end up with 48v or 24? They wouldn't be hooked up in series so i think it will still be 24.

    My only other option would be to add 2 more 8d batteries to my port bank which i prefer not to spend the $ on.
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    Umm.. I suspect (per my earlier post above) your Viking is 12V house bank and 24V start bank which is common w/Detroit Diesels (do you have 6-71's?) ...don't start jumping across battery banks unless you know exactly what you're doing... unless you want to buy a lot of new 12V electronic components. Your engine starting batteries should remain isolated from all other service. The inverter should draw only from your house batteries. Ideally, the inverter should have its own bank of batteries.
  17. ArielM

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    ya thats what i figure. I just have to buy two new 8d battery and hook them up to my house battery. The entire boat including engines are 24v. (I have a small 12v battery for a few electronics but thats all)

    It's a 52' hatteras, detroit 8v92.
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    Time to update your profile...:)