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Awlgrip brushing catalyst new formulation

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  1. beaubleep

    beaubleep New Member

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    Hi

    I have recently been told that the usual 'roll and tip' method when brush applying Awlgrip topcoat is now defunct.

    Awlgrip have developed a new formulation of brushing catalyst since batch numbers starting in NB which allows the applicator to simply roll the paint on and leave it to gloss out. Any attempt at tipping will lead to over working the paint and therefore not recommended.

    Has anyone heard any mention of this from any other quarter, I have searched everywhere but cannot find any other reference regarding this and although having this information given to me directly from Awlgrip am finding it very hard to believe.
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  3. beaubleep

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    I know, that's what is making this hard to believe.

    I am being told that this is no longer correct by some very senior employees at Awlgrip? I would be happy enough to give their names but don't know if this is relevant.

    I purchased quite a substantial amount of catalyst last October and found it was very different to the catalyst I have been using for over 30 years.

    It is cloudy, not clear, when mixed with the base and thinners there are no air bubbles formed whatsoever and once rolled on if it is then touched with a brush it reacts as if the surface is covered with silicone, it did eventually glass out as usual but only after an hour or two, making it impossible to check back for any sags.

    I immediately stopped using it, brought it to the attention of Awlgrip and was told that the catalyst formulation was changed after batch number NB and it now had to be applied solely by roller, and tipping was no longer advised.

    I also had to work through the change in formulation in 2010 and therefore accept that they do seem to deny there are any problems but then once sorted admit there were, which is of little help to the applicators.

    I am hoping that someone else out there has had the same problems with batch numbers beginning with NB and if batches after this are now Ok.

    I suspect that I am being given some untruths and that they have a bad batch or they are testing a new formula, and are not able or willing to admit to either, possibly due to litigation etc.

    Any help would be appreciated.
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    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    We stopped using Awlgrip after the cock-ups in 2010, we are now in the "anything else" camp. Hempels or International are used by us.

    You could ask them straight on Facebook, a very public arena. I'll bet you get a reply very quickly from the top man.

    https://www.facebook.com/awlgripfinishfirst
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    beaubleep New Member

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    That is a good idea, I'm still not at the point of finding an alternative, as for me apart from the 2010 problem and this current one Awlgrip has always been excellent, product and supply.
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    Hi, I heard about an issue brush painting awlgrip since a few month I haven't experienced it myself yet, being only spraying during this period. But the same reactions have appeared to a few of my fellows painters here in the south of France . They described too that the paint, once is laid on the surface with the roller , becomes impossible to tip without heavy marks and reactions. They appeared to have found as the best alternative to this problem was to mix the paint the day before and keep in cool environment until following day... the info of awlgrip roll only formula "attempt" you are giving in your message makes sense to be the origin of issue.
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    Hi
    Thanks for that, on one hand it's not good to hear other applicators are having difficulties however it is actually reassuring to hear as it proves I'm not losing the plot.
    I don't know why they have changed it, all I can hope is that they change it back asap, I've been using it for 25 years and in my opinion if it's not broke why fix it.
    Currently looking at other paints until it gets sorted out.
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    I ll make some tests with it tomorrow . I ve got a freshly ordered gallon of brushing converter. I ll keep you posted.
  9. Capt J

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    It's a shame all of this nonsense has to go on because of the EPA......

    I guess you just have to experiment with it. If it's rolled right, you probably don't have to tip it. But then what do you do in the corners and such, just brush that and roll over the edge?
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    franzmerenda Senior Member

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    With all due respect it's more than few days that I heard rumors that something is not always working properly with these products; that's why some manufacturer shifted to some other brand.
    I personally only dealt with sprying and got no problem at all! (I'm quite uccostomed with spry guns).
    I instead got quite a few issues with detailing products, like Awlcare, getting mad with sticky black raining streaks, after applying their polymer sealant.
    franz
  11. beaubleep

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    Hi Ildan

    If the batch numbers are anything after NF3222UU and up to PC5260UU I would be very suprised if you didn't have any problems.

    The catalyst before the NF was clear the stuff since is like wallpaper paste.
    I have been told they made the change to make it easier for yacht crews to repair any damaged paintwork!

    Currently looking for any yacht crew who want to help a paint company apply paint!