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  1. Steve in SoCal

    Steve in SoCal Member

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    Not withstanding personal preference and issues like hull noise, can we have an insightful discussion on the unique care of each material?

    I have read a number of articles regarding aluminum and fiberglass construction, the waters are a bit muddier when it comes to long term issues and maintainability. Lets suppose there are two boats of the same size with the same or similar equipment, both boats are 20 years old and have been well taken care of, both boats have no history of major repair work. Where are the pitfalls in each material? Do the boats age at the same rate? Are the costs to maintain each boat similar or is one material clearly more costly to maintain? The sizes of the boats are 25-30 meters. If we move the time frame up to say 5 year old boats; are the issues constant or has technology changed the areas of concern? This is rather vague intentionally, the reason being I would like to find the strengths and weaknesses in each material in as close to apples to apples comparison as possible.

    Thanks,
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    Hi Steve, I think the answer in all four variables you gave, is who built it and how is it maintained. There are good and bad boats as well as owners. And this is the same if you should look at brand new boats. The only real difference is that a painted aluminium boat needs a little more attention to keep blisters away...
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    I have owned a 70 ft Aluminum MY built by Stephens Bros. in ca. 1974..owned it since 1991, Have cruised ZFlorida, Bahamas, Mexico, Alaska and the PNW.
    Biggest issue was too much teak trim, paint blisters where the teak joins the aluminum and in some areas where the welds were not continous. The paint blisters would take at least 5 yrs to show up.
    Given the choice of this vessell Vs identical F/G vessell I would opt for the Aluminum construction, also, construction methods today are superior to those in the 70's and most of the blistering can be avoided.
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    I feel the aluminum is much more maintanence. The aluminum vessel needs to be painted more often, every once in a while a plate needs to be changed on the hull due to electrolyses .If any metal tools are dropped anywhere in the bilge of an aluminum boat (especially copper) it is a disaster. Also you have to be careful what metals if any are used throughout the boat when it comes to piping and water lines (when doing repairs and such).

    Fiberglass you don't have these issues. It IS harder to do a repair on fiberglass if damaged, but not that much more difficult in most cases unless the damage is severe.
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  6. Steve in SoCal

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    Metal boats are generally constructed with tankage integral with their hull bottoms. Especially in the area of blackwater tanks, the plating can be prone to wasteage on the inside.

    There is no substitute for an audiogage periodically.
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    Thanks Loren,

    Do any builder use polly liners for corrosion control?

    I didn't mention the type of boat however, this would be a sail boat. I don't think that changes any dynamic in the original question, does it?

    Steve
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    Good question. You might want to contact, say, Palmer Johnson in Sturgeon Bay, WI to see what they do with their Al hulls/tankage.
    I know freshwater tanks in steel boats receive 'job-specific' paint jobs.
    As regards sailboats changing the dynamics, I don't think oxidation knows if it's going fast or slow.
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    Hi,

    In addition to the FW the Black, Grey, Ballast and Bilge Water Tanks also get "job specific" paint jobs on metal hulled motor yachts.
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    It would seem like bladders would be desirable in these locations? Merely an observation.

    Steve
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    Hi,

    IMO Bladders are not any use at all for anything longer term, they do not fill easily and tend to suffer failures from chafe in a short period of time, this can be very short of they are installed and filled on anything that sticks up even as slight as weld splatter
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    That is quite contrary to my experience with aircraft. Yes a bit of prep for the install is in order but I have seen 20+ years of service.

    Steve
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    Hi,

    I agree that Bladders are very good in aircraft, Air craft and yachts are two completely different beasts.

    I am also aware from my limited experience with Helicopters of the ability of aircraft bladders to be self sealing in event of someone shooting holes in one, These type baldders are quite different in construction from what you will find in use on boats which is what I was referring to with my post above yours, not aircraft ones.
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    If and I use the term as a possibility; if bladders (aircraft quality) were used in integral tanks, would this eliminate the general areas of corrosion concern with an aluminum hull?

    I have not said my preference however you can see where this is going, I will say I have a Dynasty 300 tig welder in my garage:D

    Would you rather run into a log or container in a Aluminum boat or a glass boat? At sail boat speeds.

    Steve
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    Interesting thread. Could you narrow down the 'fibreglass' option ?
    Cored or monolithic hull shell ?
    If cored, foam or balsa ?
    Internal liner mouldings used as hull structure or transverse / longitudinal bulkheads and stiffening ?
    Filled + faired + painted hull or gel finish ?
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    Well built with collision bulkheads, whatever. But i would rather have a carbon fibre mast than aluminium if I am hitting a container...:)
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    Kanter

    Don't know if you need a builder, but Kanter Yachts has quite a bit of experience in building some great aluminum yachts, both power and sail, while working with well known designers such as Chuck Paine, Ron Holland, Dave Gerr and Greg Marshall.

    http://www.kanteryachts.com
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    That is a great question, I don't have anything in particular in mind. Glass boats that come to mind are Swan, Hinkley, Oyster, Baltic?

    Steve
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    Hey Lars

    I prefer carbon spars as well, what would the aluminum mast have issues with? More weight and higher tipping moment ?

    Steve