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  1. airship

    airship Senior Member

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    Some of you may recall that I lost my father (and favourite pudicat) in the days before last Xmas. It's been the hardest few months (ever) of my life coming to terms with it all. What I've learned over the past few months though, is that even some of the most 'troublesome and toughest of customers' literally have hearts of gold , usually well-hidden behind the masks of all the legalese and formalities required in their jobs...?!

    Many times over this past winter and spring, I've perused these forums, wishing to be able to contribute, but not having the confidence to do so anymore. But as I said, I'm back now, with some major gripes. These concern:

    1) New-build shipyards: they sell someone a 50-90m motoryacht for anywhere between €20m - €100m+. A few months later, these masterpieces find themselves in the Med., perhaps even Antibes (my own location). Where by all accounts, local chandlers and other more specialised-equipment suppliers find themselves literally inundated with requests to supply XYZ spare parts in order to restore essential functions. On equipment which is ostensibly still 'under warranty' but in reality, in view of the prices and delays quoted by the shipyard/s, would require that the owner literally 'charters another yacht' when held to ransom in this manner...?! Lots of major yacht-builders make a big issue of their after-sales support - but if it's the same organisation that had 2 or 3 months to order in the original equipment, can they really be blamed when there's an urgent request for spare parts required, not for delivery in 2-3 months, but 2-3 days...?! The end result is that local chandlers and other companies more specialised, suffer ceaseless demands for spare parts for equipment that they never specified nor supplied to the original build. And then the yacht's engineer or manager complain that we cannot supply the parts quickly (or at a suitably-competitive price)...?! Surely, the blame if there is any, should be more properly attributed to the original shipyard whose cash-registers 'never ceased to ring' throughout the construction period and their original suppliers, who were either not advised that a certain level of after-sales service would be required as a consequence, or else choose not to offer the type of 24/24H support that their clients depend on...?! I offer the example of a 60m+ German motoryacht launched in 2006. They already needed to replace 2 x safety valves fitted to the fresh-water supply ostensibly within the 'warranty period'. As it turned out, the owner had to pay in full for these spares. The new chief engineer of this yacht with whom I've dealt with since 2002 recently asked me to supply 2 more identical safety valves to keep aboard as spares in view of the yacht's cruising schedule over the next 18 months. I charged him about € 523.12 each. The Captain complained about the expense. That was when the chief engineer produced a .pdf copy of the shipyard's invoice for these same valves when the yacht was 'just out of warranty': the shipyard invoice was for over €1,800 per valve or well over 3 times what I charged the yacht...?! :confused: There are profits to be made, and there is a term generally acknowledged as profiteering - just ensure that when you go aboard a yacht today, you fly the correct flag (skull & crossbones) in the latter case.

    2) The very poor levels of expertise in the use of computer software generally by (superyacht) officers at almost any level and their coincidental production of requisitions (in particular) addressed to suppliers. Few and far between (IMHO) are those that can properly itemise and detail their requirements sufficiently in order to avoid any confusion. Engineers are better, 1st officers worse: "Here's my list which I'd like delivered to Monaco when we arrive (ETA non-determined):

    A) yellow water hose
    B) connections for water hose
    C) soft yellow brushes and handles
    etcetera...

    No quantities or sizes, no ETA, in fact, hardly any serious efforts displayed at all. But be sure, even if you do your best in spite of the lack of information and requests for more information, you'll be welcomed by 'someone's offspring' (thank goodness not your own) wearing a shirt with epaulettes comprising sufficient gold-braid to blind you even before you get your thoughts together...?! And ready to lay all the blame on you for not being able to read minds.

    2A) Then, there's all the superyacht crew who don't know how to use modern communications like email or fax altogether. They need to order something, you must be there physically in front of them with pen and paper...?!

    3) I received a copy of a yacht's registration certificate today by email. It was sent as an image file, in fact a single page which if scanned as a .pdf file might have finished off as a file under 100kB. How was it actually sent though? As a .bmp file, size over 8.5Mb....?! No wonder marine satellite data providers are so happy these days...?!

    4) As happened last Monday involving an 85m commercially-registered superyacht: "airship, we need to replace 2 wave runners, please quote...". I know they already have 4 old Yamaha XL700s (it's the way I operate...). They ask me for 2 stroke GP1300R wave runners. Considering that they're a charter boat, I suggest that the choice of such a high-performance toy may not be the ideal choice...?! So they confirm their choice of the basic and cheapest Yamaha 4 stroke (VZ) replacement to the old 2 stroke XL700s. "Please organise delivery of 2 wave runners in Cannes Tuesday morning before 10H30". What happens though? They only take delivery of 1, citing space problems...?! Tuesday night at 11H45, I get an SMS from the yacht's superintendent, "please go ahead and deliver the 2nd wave runner that we refused earlier"?! In the interim, the 2nd VZ they refused was sold to another customer (it happens). So this morning Wednesday, I was faced with accusations that I was making a drama out of a crisis by inventing that the 2nd VZ which they originally refused on Tuesday was no longer available. They took exception to my remark that perhaps their oil sheikh majority owner could expect to have a vendor of wave runners deliver to the quay a whole array of models for His Highness' subsequent choice. So perhaps in Saudi Arabia, a wave runner vendor would be happy to sell one camel out of the dozen or so offered, I don't know. But I was adamant that 'it was not how business was done here in Europe, OK'! You have to understand also that I was merely an intermediary trying to regain the confidence of the current managers of this yacht having held their full confidence for almost 8 years before their new purchasing director and her apparently young and voluptious daugther appeared on the scenes 2 or 3 years ago. Which may or not have influenced the decisions of a hitherto much-accomplished and self-made man in the commercial yacht-charter industry.

    I'm back, and I'm ready to fight back. Whether or not your 1st name is Andreas or Fabrice, I'm going to be deeply involved in the superyacht industry for a very long time to come (I require another 20 years or so of social security contributions before I get a full pension). Tolstoy's War and Peace springs to mind...?! :D

    PS. Sorry about the rant, there's 6 months' worth stored up there... ;)
  2. AMG

    AMG YF Moderator

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    Welcome back Airship, I knew some turmoil was missing here, but couldn´t figure who... Sorry about your father, sometimes I wish mine would survive me...

    On spares and deliveries and all that, it isn´t easy for shipyards either when captains and managers want the same equipment as they are used to from the old boat. Meaning stuff that is almost obsolete from the beginning and not the same as on other yachts they are building. This is built into the expression, custom yachts.

    On your second/third topic, this may change with iPhones and other gadgets where you can take a picture while you are talking of an item.

    The fourth is something that everybody who is dealing with wealthy people from different cultures have to deal with. Part of our business...

    Hang on!
  3. Kevin

    Kevin YF Moderator

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    First off, welcome back airship. And I'm sorry for your loss.

    Secondly, I nearly burst out laughing at rant #3 there... too funny! I've dealt with the same myself more than once: a customer sends me a picture taken directly from his digital camera of some part or another. Ok fine, a 4000 pixel wide image of "widget X" isn't particularly useful but it can be resized so it's subsequently viewable on a normal monitor. Unfortunately, in relation to your rant #2, the customer provides no dimensions, scale, or reference to what said widget X will be expected to do. So there I sit with an 4000 pixel wide image of a part that could be an inch long, or a foot long.

    I feel your pain! :rolleyes:
  4. Loren Schweizer

    Loren Schweizer YF Associate Writer

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    Condolences for your father and the kitty. Been through those both in the past few years and it knocked the stuffing out of me, too.

    But, it's been rather quiet here lately, so your return is very welcome, airship!
    On to the Rants!

    As regards #1, I can easily explain the 3X profit of shipyard-supplied valves vs. what you charged: the overage is known by builders 'round the world as the Nuisance Charge."
    "We build boats", they sniff, "we'll get you your bloody valves, Sonny, but it'll cost for the privilege."

    And, #4 falls under-- but somewhere between-- the headings of "No good deed goes unpunished" and "Attaboys & Aw-sh_ts".

    Illegitimi Non Carborundum...as Mom used to say.
  5. Fishtigua

    Fishtigua Senior Member

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    Welcome home Airship,

    Oh how I understand your little rant at the shopping lists crew send you. They have no concept that you're not standing next to them looking at the stuff that needs ordering.

    You've just reminded me of the piglet story. While cruising an obscure Pacific Island we asked JunJon, our Filipino valet, while he was out shopping, to buy a piglet. Just a little piglet to spit-roast on the beach.

    Two hours later we hear the squealing as JunJon leads the biggest hog you have ever seen up the beach. I am not kidding, this thing was the size of a Mini car.

    The Boss laughed so hard, he said we have to cook it anyway. So the Engineers had to weld-up a huge spitroast assembly, myself and JunJon had to slaughter the pig (not a good idea in your crew whites) and the Aussie chef had to make the fire.

    Fast-forward 4 hours, lunch is over and the guests back on the boat, still the pig is turning and not getting even hot enough to cook. The crew is taking shifts to turn the handle.

    Fast forward another 8 chuffing hours and a lot of beer later, at last the 'Hog Watch' is over, just in time for breakfast. Now I've never had spitroast pig for breakfast before but having dragged the guests out of bed and standing on the beach, beer and sandwich in hand, watching the sun come up was, by accident, one of my favourite memories.

    The crew ate pork for the next three days.

    Sorry Airship, its just your shopping list piece bought that all back.

    Rule No.1 Never, ever send crew to market with a VHF and no clue what they are supposed to buy. :D
  6. catmando

    catmando Senior Member

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    Condolences for your father, and I know how you feel about your cat too. My pit bull BoBo died of cancer last December and I'm not over it yet. :( Hopefully the new pup I'm getting later this month will help me move on, and if you haven't already, you should get another cat now.
  7. Codger

    Codger YF Wisdom Dept.

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    Funny thing about the pain of losing a parent. The fortunate ones are those that experience the pain. The unfortunate ones are those that never had the closeness and therefore feel no loss. Never the less, condolences.


    You have come back.
    The yellow hose made me laugh, hard.
    I'm sitting in Montana, with no VPN relay, looking at a note requesting 4 large self powered water pumps. For some a 2" pump with a 5 horse engine is a big pump, for others... Well, I'm going to arrange for 4 16" trash pumps with the biggest yellow diesels behind 'em on flatbeds. Not the biggest around, but if they'd existed back then, they're capable of leaving Noah's Ark high and dry lickety split.