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46 vs 50 post and cost

Discussion in 'Post Yacht' started by aquachop, May 31, 2011.

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  1. aquachop

    aquachop New Member

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    I am looking into buying a 46-50 foot sport fisher. I plan on living on the boat and fishing it occasionally.

    I hear that a 46 post 1978-1989 style will get .8-1.2 mpg or 23-25 GPH with 671ti engines

    I am curious what a 50" ocean or post would get fuel wise with 8v92s.

    ALSO

    I saw this originally posted by Doe boy-
    "Slippage 3K
    Bottom care/paint 2K
    Insurance 5K
    Fuel 10K
    Eng maintenance 10K
    Repairs 10K
    Other costs 10K"

    1. I see slippage at 4800-5k because I don’t see it much less than 400/mo

    2. Bottom paint I plan on doing myself, but when you take into account redoing props and all I see the 2k average

    3. Insurance, I got a quote on a 1988 46 post for 225/mo with 500 deductable so 2700 @100000k and 10k personal property

    4. Fuel, I agree 10,000 or less if friends pay up to make a canyon trip

    5. The 30k for repairs engine maintenance and other I see to be high for one year... rebuild kits from agkits.com are 1300 per motor and includes pistons sleeves and bearings.

    I plan on doing anything that doesn’t deal with electricity myself, it is bad to assume that if I plan on doing the work on my own that 10k would cover engine rebuilds and maintenance on 671s or 8v92s?

    So a total expense of 30,000 per year should cover all expenses for a guy like me who is used to turning the wrench

    Please let me know if I am way off...

    thanks in advance for the replies... im a young guy in need of guidance
  2. Beau

    Beau Senior Member

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    We have a 1998 Post 50, 820 mans. I do a lot of the work myself. Our average annual cost over the past 11 seasons has been $50K. The boat is located in the NE and stored in the water during the winter.

    BTW, make sure you have liability insurance too.

    Hope that is useful info.
  3. RT46

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    Here is my 2 cents:

    I think the 50 is a lot "bigger" boat than the 46/47.
    The 50' is only 3 to 4 feet longer but
    it really picks up most of its mass and living space with the beam (19' vs. 15' I think, not sure).

    The main difference in living space is the bigger salon, 3 vs. 2 state rooms, and bigger cockpit.

    Depending on where you run the boat, a 19' slip is a lot harder to find than a 15' one.


    As a live aboard, the 46/47 would be fine.
    FYI, A 42 would also be a decent live aboard and a lot cheaper to run and maintain than a 50'.

    Here are some numbers for you:
    I think you have to expect to pay $15K a year just for insurance, slip, winter storage, and bottom paint, zincs.....
    Add
    Fuel: depends on use....$3-8K
    Oil change: 2x a year $400 to $500 a pop (if you do it yourself)
    Electric.....50 to 200 a month depending on what you use and how cold or hot it gets where you keep the boat,

    So, is it possible runs a 46/47 for under $20 k a year, yea I guess....

    As far as rebuilding the mains:
    Yes you could buy one of those rebuild kits.....but.......liner fit is very important in the 671 because it is a dry liner. Therefore, you will not know which sleeves will fit until you pull the head and sleeves.

    And, if the head is coming off it should be rebuilt and machined, a 671TI head can run up to 4K if it has issues, also the turbos, injectors and cooling system should be serviced if rebuilding......oh yea, I forgot, hoses and clamps can add up.....

    DDs are great engines and do not require engineers from MIT with fancy equipment, but they do require subject matter expertise and precise measurements and know how.

    The two-strokes can be done at the user level, but are not quite as easy as rebuilding a big block under a shade tree on long weekend.

    Also rebuilding is never as cheap or as easy as it seems....

    The parts alone to rebuild a pair of 671TIs could easily run $15K plus...

    In addition, there are always lots of "might as wells" and "unexpecteds" to do when tearing down and rebuilding mains that can easily double cost.



    Final thought on saving money by living aboard:

    I have had numerous boats and lived aboard for several years (now back on land).
    I donot recommend living aboard as a way to save money unless you already own the boat.

    Living aboard will cost you more in the long run than buying a nice waterfront condominium, unless you already own the boat.

    My 2 cents.....

    good luck.....go buy a Post and enjoy it, they are great boats....and you will be stimulating the economy
  4. Beau

    Beau Senior Member

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    I agree with RT46 the 50 is a much bigger boat than the 46/7 but it's 16' 11" beam is pretty easy to get in a slip. You'll enjoy either
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  5. RT46

    RT46 Senior Member

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    BEAU is correct on the beam of the 50'

    The 50' seems like a big boat compared to the 46/47

    Now go buy one, the market is great for buying
  6. aquachop

    aquachop New Member

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    thanks for the replies

    I would like to thank everyone for the replies. I plan on buying a 46 post somewhere in the date range of this September to next January. My job will force my move in that range.

    To set things straight i was thinking it would be around the same cost of owning a 120-150k house after insurance, gas electric taxes etc. I think the boat will be a better advenure. I plan on paying cash for the boat and not owing anything. I have been saving and plan on selling my chopper, corvette, cafe racer, and possibly my baby "1968 camaro with fuel injected vette motor," adding that to the money i have saved and buying a boat between 50 and 100k depending on what it needs and how recent the rebuilds and updates are.

    thanks again
  7. captainscs

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    beam plus costs

    I've got a 50 (hull 50-100) and also have current 50 literature. The beam is 16'11", not 19 as per earlier thread responses.

    I put about 300 hrs/year on mine and budget $30 maintenance and insurance. I'm really **** when it comes to maintenance, do a fair amount of it myself but never cut corners on putting the mechanic on the engines or hitting the recommended intervals. If something's even marginally needed, I fix it.

    On top of that you'll need fuel (.40 nautical miles/gallon at a 70% of power cruise) and slip (mine's behind the house).

    No comparison between the 46/47 and the 50. The 50 is much larger interior-wise. We looked seriously at both and spent a lot of time doing it. Go for the 50 if you have the $.
  8. RT46

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    I agree, the 50 is a lot more boat.


    The only regret i have about my 46, is not getting the 50 instead.
  9. Capt J

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    And a 50' actually rides normal in a following sea and doesn't make you buy new underwear like a '46 does.
  10. Beau

    Beau Senior Member

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    If you check the current prices on a 50' they are a DEAL! Thank god mine will serve as my casket, otherwise I'd be weeping at my year 2000 purchase price. The depreciation is a killer. Great boat. 1850 rpm, 27 knots, 50 GPH. I can run that speed in 4-5' head seas (my wife says they are 10-15's). 20-22 knots in a real snot. I don't want any other boat. Mine is hull 42.
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  11. chesapeake46

    chesapeake46 Senior Member

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    " Thank god mine will serve as my casket,"

    I'ts pretty cool to want what you've got and be satisfied.